Karsten Frässdorf - A honest portrait

Sep 10, 2020,02:38 AM
 

You may know Karsten Frässdorf (KF) from his most recent project "Montres KF" and the blatantly praising blog posts from MonochromeWatches.




Since especially with independent watchmakers, you largely invest / buy into the person behind the brand, I think it's worth to take a closer look at the journey Mr Frässdorf has had so far. 

Mr Frässdorf undoubtably has engineering originality and skills, although many of his creations did/do not work. But his way to conduct business and is a completely different thing and shines a not very positive light on the character "Frässdorf".
I try to keep it short but literally every business he has started in the past or even regular employments, have resulted in a lawsuit. Yes, a lawsuit. In watchmaking. This is so rare, that when I started readying up on Mr Frässdorf, I doubted the first few information until I gathered multiple sources (people and also legal documents available).

  • Mr Frässdorf signed a contract with Marc Brogsitter to create a set of watches and received funds to setup up a complete watchmaking shop (six figures sum) and work exclusively on this set of watches to be commercially distributed later on. Mr Frässdorf also received a five figure monthly salary over the course of two years. Yet, this seemed to be not sufficient for KF and he started working on other projects which delayed the progress of the Brogsitter watches massively and resulted ultimately in KF being sued over breach of contract, when KF started to use parts constructed in the "Brogsitter workshop" or sold precious metals which were brought with Brogsitter funds and meant for gold cases. (documented in the EU lawsuit files)
  • Through the contacts of Mr Brogsitter, KF got in contact with a wealthy widow from Germany. She invested a seven figure in the person KF and never received one watch. This was also disputed in front of a German court, KF lost and KF had to give an affidavit of means but of course he had no assets and everything, like his house or cars or money, was owned by his wife.
  • Then he worked on the project "Fabrication De Montres Normandes"  which resulted in another dead company due to watches that never reached the market.
  • Then came "Heritage Watch Manufactory" with impressive looking watches but even with another great watchmaker at his side, this company was doomed and resulted in liquidation
  • After these came involvements with Leroy where he was tasked to construct watch movements. His creation of a Tourbillon never worked reliably and another movement was also never brought to actual production other than a prototype. As a result he was sued by the Festina Group and lost.
  • Despite his obvious reputation at this point, he was also hired by ChronoSwiss to construct a new movement for them. He never delivered and their release plus production was heavily delayed due to the need to hire someone else. As a result he was sued and lost that lawsuit as well.

Despite claims by his "overly friendly" watch blog MonochromeWatches or himself, KF does not own any patents. 

I'm curious when and how the first "problems" or rather lawsuits will popup related to his newest project "Montres KF".

The user Ornatus-Mundi has summed it up perfectly "The Watchmaker Designer has probably caused more lawsuits than he has produced watches"
-->> www.watchprosite.com

You can also take a look at his "track-record" on this forum itself
-->>  www.watchprosite.com ?page=wf&forumid=16&show=&qf=ft&ft=frässdorf


Based on his past, I have no interest in Montres KF anymore, despite the fact that the design and technical approach sparked my interest. 
I simply won't invest into the person behind the brand. But everyone can and should judge for himself.

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Well, I have never even heard of the guy but your disdain for him sure is clear.

 
 By: MichaelC : September 10th, 2020-05:00
I don't believe the motive of the article is to protect other members here.

So what's my motivation?

 
 By: watching00000 : September 10th, 2020-09:14
Please enlighten me! I guess a "disdain" for people with such a track-record is not valid in your eyes? Only blind praise?

But anyway typical for trolls...

 
 By: watching00000 : September 10th, 2020-09:17
Instead of judging the content like I suggest, you judge the "motivation" behind it. SAD.

Well, no need to judge the content if the motivation is questionable.

 
 By: MichaelC : September 10th, 2020-13:48
You have 12 posts and write an essay criticizing this guy. Correct or not, that's not what this website is about. And oh by the way, I have been "trolling" here since the inception of this website. 20 years now.

That’s the definition of trolling

 
 By: watching00000 : September 10th, 2020-14:34
And 12 posts make the content less relevant? Your 20 years on the other hand should make people believe you blindly? So far you have done nothing but trying to undermine the statements by undermining the person posting them. But no problem: I will spend m... 

Actually, Michael has been here for 20 years

 
 By: NickO : September 10th, 2020-17:46
The site was originally called ThePuristS and changed to WatchProSite in 2006. Because it moved to a new platform, everyone got new joining dates. That's why all the old-timers here have a December 2006 join date, but some of us go back much longer than t... 

Well, to put it this way...

 
 By: watching00000 : September 10th, 2020-23:26
Never met him, had an appointment, but canceled it after I found all these Information either on this side or after digging deeper. Anyway, expect this to be my last post because I’m tired of forums like this to be honest. I will leave you guys to your AP... 

BTW: I confronted him...

 
 By: watching00000 : September 11th, 2020-00:37
When I called him & after he told me that he was never in any legal dispute and that Mr Brogsitter was simply heading into a different direction. Based on the legal papers, all the other information I gathered when I contacted the people in charge of mana... 

Thanks for the additional context

 
 By: NickO : September 11th, 2020-08:51
I also read your earlier posts and I appreciate your insight on pulling back the curtain on Independent Watchmaking a little bit. I do hope you’ll continue to post from time-to-time.

Well to be honest...

 
 By: watching00000 : September 12th, 2020-08:19
I always felt like the offline watch collecting community was my home. And I only slowly started engaging online. But these „trolling“ comments - not referring to your comment - kind of confirm my intuition that online conversation are completely decouple... 

Funny

 
 By: xiaobiaomi : September 12th, 2020-03:34
this is like: you haven't published anything in Nature therefore your article is not credible. By contrast, I have commented on the journal for 20 years so I am always right.

By this logic...

 
 By: watching00000 : September 12th, 2020-08:22
If you want to gain your PhD, you must have a record of years of published papers, no matter of the scientific or factual correctness of your work. But to build this record, you need to publish a paper and that can’t be since you have no record. Game over... 

Additional references?

 
 By: jmpTT : September 10th, 2020-13:02
Would not hold the dead companies against him, as sometimes great ideas do not gather enough traction. The lawsuits and contractual breaches should be concerning to collectors and investors. Where possible, it would be helpful to provide references and le... 

Reference to the lawsuit „Brogsitter“

 
 By: watching00000 : September 10th, 2020-14:40
The other lawsuits were settled privately. Due to the legitimate claims of Brogsitter, he had the right to receive possible funds first and subsequently was also informed about the results of other lawsuits. That’s why the content of these lawsuits came t... 

Frässdorf

 
 By: marc.brogsitter : February 13th, 2021-07:26
Hi watching00000, I am trying to send you a private Message. I do not know the reason but it does not work. Please send me a pm or an Email to: [Email address suppressed for privacy] You know so many facts - so do I. I have seen ist all. Best regards

Interesting!!!

 
 By: Martltime : February 13th, 2021-11:41