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Retirement has been nothing short of an enjoyable revelation but it has not stopped me from dreaming about the next watch. Too much time on one's hands can result in the sinful pilgrimage to watch shops and boutiques and after careful (or perhaps not so c...  

at least that would be the one I would chose. Cheers, Dirk

It would be interesting to see which watch gets the most votes but it is difficult to say no to the Remontoire irrespective what watch it is up against.

Best wishes Alkiro

That is conveniently the order of the photos! But that could very well be the final order

I’m pretty sure the 1941 Remontoire will win the contest 😊 Best wishes Alkiro

I actually thought that the MB&F might nick it but I guess it is in a niche market.

If you really love MB&F Legacy Machines, maybe you should try the LM 101. In 40mm vs 44mm that could be the right choice 😉 Best wishes Alkiro

I once owned a rose gold LM101 but it did not keep time well relatively. Also after wearing it for a while, the dial felt quite unbalanced. The 40mm case was definitely more wearable but because the case was 40mm and not 44mm, the dome of the glass appear... 

Even if I have a clear preference for the Grönefeld, whatever your choice it’ll be the right one if you let your heart talking 😉 Best wishes Alkiro

when it starts talking! It got me married four times!!!

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I have been unable to afford a Patek minute repeater!! If only I could turn back time..............

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His taste is impeccable

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and a loyal disciple!

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Your diligence with your speedy replies is second to none

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other than that it is an MB&F. Of the other two, I might go wth the Gronefeld because it is a Remontoire...but that Cartier! And everyone should own a Cartier, at least once in his or her lifetime. It looks pretty damn good on your wrist, too.

That's a strong vote for the Cartier and that curved case hugged my wrist like it belonged there. In fact, I purposely chatted up the sales lady for 90 minutes so that I could keep the watch on my wrist! ...  

I meant you sold me on what you should buy. But I was already sold. You should buy the Cartier.

Thank goodness I did not add a Lange to the list or else I know which you would have gone for

Maybe not. You have said that Langes are a bit big for you-or they don't suit your wrist. Langes have a certain ethos, and they are not for everyone (although I don't understand why not). But Cartier is a different ballgame. Cartiers are exquisite, which ... 

If I buy the Gronefeld, I might have enough money for this new tank with a manual movement which I quite like Not my wrist unfortunately! ...  

But the Cintree!!!

In my opinion, the best looking Cartier in years.

The MB&F launched on 10 October reached the ADs on the same day (or even a few days before!!). The Cartier has been at boutiques for over a month now. Unlike some brands that launch their watches and do not make the watch readily available, it is refreshi... 

I would love to own one of them in the near future 😉. Mmmmmmmm 🤔🤔. Maybe i would pick the Gronefeld because of my Dutch pride 😁. Good luck with this tough but great choice 🙏🏻. Hope to see some pics soon

I think I can't go wrong with any of the three but the Gronefeld almost seems like the 'safe' bet among this trio!

I can remember several watch ladies who I've spend an inordinate amount of time talking to, in order to keep the watch on my wrist... but I'm not sure I'm that good a talker! Cazalea PS I like the MB&F. Other Gronefeld appeal to me but not that one (excep... 

but unfortunately she was married but she did ask me if I was?! A discount at a Cartier boutique is everyone's dream but a dream is where it will remain :-( Thank you for the MB&F vote though. That watch needs votes I have just arranged a trip to Paris to... 

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if I should be looking at the food or the lady pouring the champagne! Omega sure do treat their customers well!!!

The Gronefeld is 39.5mm, the Cartier's curved case disguises its 46mm length and the downward curving lugs of the 44mm MB&F help a lot. Saying that it is still 44mm which as most of you know is a size that I do not particularly subscribe to. But that dial... 

I am actually quite surprised that the Cartier is doing better than the MB&F but yes, aesthetics and size are important to me.

WBR Serge

I wish I was as decisive as you! The Gronefeld seems to be the popular choice so far.I purposely decided not to include a photo of its movement to make it more of a fair fight

although the other two are certainly no slouches! Nice trilemma to have. Best Andreas

I have just emailed Tim and Bart Gronefeld to enquire if they have a stainless steel Remontoire left

Just a perfect watch. I hope to add one, someday.

To say it is the perfect watch says it all I guess. Thank you.

What a stunning watch. Has a bit more of a wow factor for me. Second would be the Gronefeld followed by a very distant (sorry) MB&F. Second time is not a charm.

Yes the Cartier would not normally be a watch I would consider that this in my opinion is one of the most special Cartier watches for a long time in that it still remain wearable despite the movement complexity. I used to adore Cartier watches on the 80s ...  

so with the score at Gronefeld 7 and Cartier 2, I bid you all good night

....on your complexion and wrist size but that's just my opinion. Beautiful watch but at 67k(PT) no complication, you can get so much more. Since you have time on your hand, try Moser and Laurent Ferrier too. I wudnt bother too much with ltd edition quali... 

Thank you for your observations. Yes, I agree that the rose gold Remontoire will suit my skin colour well but the steel is the cheaper option for the pensioner. Then again, I agree that one must get the metal right when ordering a watch and not to save on... 

are very much appreciated

Though I personally really like their red or blue dials. ... and with steel case

Thank you for your choice. I personally prefer their plain silver dial as in the photos due to its understatedness. The movement is just the opposite

1) Remontoire ! 2) Remontoire !! 3) Remontoire !!! Worth every penny of it... Best, Mahesh.,

Happy Divali to you so I see you like the Cartier best huh?!

I suspect this kinda watch have relatively low power reserve? You know what's the PR like for the Cartier? I choose the MB&F for the case. I own a few MB&F myself. Photos are hard to capture their watches. You need to hold them in your hand n play with th... 

an MB&F lover. This has been a long wait. I have no idea what the power reserve is on the Cartier and tried looking it up but cannot find the relevant information. This is actually quite a key point because the winding crown of the Cartier is more attract... 

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If Bart and Tim Gronefeld were following this post, they would be overwhelmed by the response for the Gronefeld. Not so, Max Busser

1. Remontoire 2. Remontoire 3. Remontoire ! I swear it was my choice before I read the full thread and discover I was not the only one making this eclectic selection ! LOL IMO the MB&F is a surely a very nice and original design but this one is too large ...  

I thought being French, you might have opted for the Cartier but I see you are your usual objective self and thank you for casting your 3 votes! The Cartier would not normally be considered but this movement is quite breathtaking even though arguably it i...  

...the Vingt-8 is not exactly the same price category as the 3 others you have mentioned... But for sure that would be a fantastic option if you have a chance to consider it... As for the mail nope I did not receive any from you. Can you resend it please ... 

the price of the 2 Eight in the picture above is no more than 10% than that of the MB&F or Cartier. Yes 10% is still money but it is not such a large difference and I prefer the 2 Eight to the Vingt 8 due to the mother of pearl dial, arabic instead of Rom... 

I absolutely love the Gronefeld (and have tried them on myself) with its very cool remontoire, but there is nothing else like the MB&F Legacy Machine. If you can only have one, why not have something that you will almost never see on another wrist (no... 

I had in my mind, the MB&F in first place followed very closely by the Remontoire and then the Cartier. Not sure now as perhaps it is too large for my wrist as observed by many even though the curved downward lugs help a lot. It is even my screen saver on... 

it looks big on your wrist I think only because of the angle of your shot - optical illusion I believe it fits you well. That hand crafted hammered dial is a real piece of art! Max mentioned the LM SE is the last of the LMs as we know it when he was in si... 

Thanks Robin. MB&F is making a late comeback here and your information on what Max told you is most useful. It is quite interesting that you guys in Singapore had Max while we only had Charris at Kuala Lumpur for the launch. No offence intended Charris in... 

The Grönefeld and MB&F are both my kind of special pieces. They are quite different, which one has the perfect feel on your wrist? Which one screams to you when you see it on your wrist. The Grönefeld strap is amazing, by far the most comfortable strap I ... 

The watch that screams to me the loudest when looking at its dial would be the MB&F. The watch that screams to be the loudest when looking at its movement is the Remontoire. The MB&F strap is also very comfortable - you should try it Jerry. But all that s... 

I am 100% a Cartier man, but in this case the Grönefeld is the best for you! Gorgeous watch. GEO

That is what I call impartial advice I just could not resist adding this any longer ...  

Congratulations 🍾

Not quite Arie but I must confess that it is almost a 'must have' watch You may not have made it to the World Cup in football but you would definitely make it to the World Cup in watchmaking!!

1. The size seems to suit your wrist perfectly making it a comfortable watch. 2. Wearable as a daily 3. That movement!!!! 4. It's Dutch 😎 😉 The MB&F, however cool it is, is a rarity watch. Meaning the same for wrist time. So I would go for the one giving ... 

Your logical analysis makes a lot of sense, at least the first three points!! Imagine having every watch in one's collection which is wearable daily - what a predicament every morning! Decisions, decisions

Being a collector can be a hardship 😉

but still we strive to obtain that 'perfect' collection! I can't speak for others but I must be a sucker for punishment!

We are like Don Quixote...

too true!

Which one can you comfortably read at a glance? If you can see all of them then pick any. For me - the first is the winner

Legibility is as important and wearability and number one would win as you say!

Gronefeld Remontoire 18.5, MB&F 4.5 Cartier 1 I must confess that I had not expected the MB&F to be in such a distant second and I think the Gronefeld is one of those watches that would just blow most competition away. An interesting point made by Fx in h...