A huge NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO from me

I had plenty of opportunities to buy this Lumen, offered by both boutique and grey dealers. and I also happened to be amongst the first owner of a Perpetual One in the world, and since 2010, I have never regretted the Moser P1. besides winning the GPHG award in 2006 for best complicated Mens watch category and overall second for Watch of the Year, to winner of the Goldene Unruh, it has Indie credentials in the form of Andreas Strehler who perfected it.

on the technical front, if yours is the double hairpsring version...its a absolute keeper, since Moser no longer make it as a "standard feature" in all their watches.

on the other hand...lets examine the Lumen. I like it enough, but NOT for the premium it demands by Lange, which is very sad for me being a Lange lover.(for the record, I have 2 Mosers and at least 12 Langes). Its a piece of glass. Lange already does perlage and finishing on the dial side of all their movements anyway, so i dont see why they need to charge such huge premiums. I can understand if some lesser brand do it, because they now need more finishing done to movvement, so they might charge alot more...but Lange????!!! therefore as a matter of principle, I am opposed to the huge premium charged for it. otherwise, the Lumen is a very attractive watch in itself.

best, Horo

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Would you swap an H.Moser Perpetual 1 for a Lange Lumen?

By: Alex83 : March 23rd, 2014-12:32

Hello Purist brothers, Today I come with an unusual comparison, more than unusual some will consider this a mis-placed comparison because both pieces have very little in common, but still I am very interested in knowing the opinion of the Purist family be...

It's always so sad ( but inevitable in the watch world) to make decision solely based on..

By: moc : March 23rd, 2014-13:11

Potential investment or not.....what's the point collecting if it's not for your own pleasure? Save up and buy a flat ,that's in the long run a better investment. Obviously some sort soft money consideration moves any purchase we make,but watch collecting...

Alejandro, first of all ...

By: small-luxury-world : March 23rd, 2014-13:13

welcome at PuristSPro! Regarding discount, price and investment I will sent you a PM and had to do edit it. Back to your question: I would do it, but that is maybe just me and me taste. Also I am not crazy about perpetual calendar´s in general. Cheers, Ol...

First of all, welcome on board!

By: foversta : March 23rd, 2014-13:48

And my answer is YES! Why? Because I'm not a Perpetual Calendar guy. I find the Lange Lumen very breathtaking while the Moser is much more classic. You have to answer two questions: - do you think that there is no risk to be one day "bored" by the more da...

Both wonderful watches,

By: tahoeblue : March 23rd, 2014-14:21

and there is no cleaner display of a perpetual calendar than the Moser. I am a big fan of perpetual calendars, and this complication is a must-have for me. But then there is Lange, and there is the Lange 1 Lumen. I do go back and forth in regard to the va...

Agree with Mo's comments...

By: andrewluff : March 23rd, 2014-14:28

And as much as I like the Moser, the Lumen would be my choice. Cheers Andeew

Proof that the decision is a personal one...

By: pplater : March 23rd, 2014-17:18

First up, welcome here Alejandro. Hopefully we will see a lot more of you around here in the future. With watches we are entitled to be schizophrenic. Looking into the future as a cold headed investor: the Lange ticks all the boxes. Looking into the watch...

I think, therefore I am....a one-eyed Indie.....

By: Sandgroper : March 30th, 2014-03:59

in this case I will stay with the H.Moser...Definitely! Then, what's best? One fish in the pan or a thousand in the ocean;) Cheers Francois from Down Under

A thousand...

By: pplater : March 30th, 2014-06:04

...in the pan. Cheers, pplater.

LOL!..Of course....

By: Sandgroper : March 30th, 2014-07:01

How simplistic of me:) You are a big eater;) Cheers Francois

Lumen for me

By: justindependent : March 23rd, 2014-18:22

I am a huge fan of perpetuals and in particular I do like this Moser in other variations. But Lange is Lange. The Lange 1 is iconic and I like the Lumen's design characteristics even though I do not like the numbers on the Hours/Minutes dial. This is a ca...

Whenever a decision is required ….

By: tic-toc : March 23rd, 2014-20:50

….. i think one of the best question to ask yourself, would be : the reverse thinking. if you own this lange and someone would like to trade his Moser with you, would you do it ?? the fun about collecting watches, at some point, the wheeling and dealing w...

I own the exact version of Moser P1

By: dundev : March 24th, 2014-00:30

And like you, I have the dato, too. I'm also interested in the Lumen myself, and If I need to get the Lumen, I probably need to sell some of my watches, too. However, I won't trade my P1 for the Lumen. Why? 1. I prefer the Zeitwerk Phantom over Lumen. 2. ...

A huge NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO from me

By: Hororgasm : March 25th, 2014-02:16

OF COURSE

By: Arie - Mr Orange : March 25th, 2014-10:06

Do it! Do it! Do it!

Call me blonde, but I really can't see how the....

By: Sandgroper : March 30th, 2014-04:18

two can be compared. The H.Moser is unique, simple, elegant and beautiful. Its mouvement is exquisitely designed and finished. On the other hand, the Lumen is "robocopish" and not illuminating my heart nor soul. As much as I love the Lange 1 Moon Phase Pl...

Bravo!!!...

By: pplater : March 30th, 2014-06:02

The word we have all been looking for, and for a long time, to describe the attractive but soul-less watch (and it comes to us from a Swisstralian!) - "Robocopish". Love it! Cheers, pplater.

Well, coming from The Guardian of the.........

By: Sandgroper : March 30th, 2014-06:57

Taj Mahal...... I take this as a grand compliment Pplater;) Cheers FransOZ

Thanks everyone!...you have messed even...

By: Alex83 : March 30th, 2014-10:55

Thanks everyone!...you have messed even more my head! lol I think I will need to get them both...need to give it a few thoughts still and most of all, see the Lange 1 in the flesh. I find very smart the "reverse" approach of "tic-toc", despite not being s...