cazalea
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Rolex used El Primero
I guess we should define high-beat ourselves, or should we use the Mfr's terminology? You are calling watches that are faster than 28,800 High Beat, yet Seiko used the term Hi-Beat quite loosely in some instances, when they moved from 21,600 to 28,800. I have one of those around somewhere...
Sounds like a fun research project. Shall we collaborate, and write the definitive tome?
Cazalea
Overview of high frequency watches and calibres - contributions highly welcome
For some reason I have gotten bitten by the frenetic sound and the romantic promise of high frequency watches - i.e. those beating faster than 28.800 vph. I started my journey in the topic with my Eterna Sevenday Fastbeat, which got joined by the Grand Se...
Rolex used El Primero
I guess we should define high-beat ourselves, or should we use the Mfr's terminology? You are calling watches that are faster than 28,800 High Beat, yet Seiko used the term Hi-Beat quite loosely in some instances, when they moved from 21,600 to 28,800. I ...
That's a fabulous idea :)
Rolex did use an El Primero but in a de-tuned, 28,800 vph version. And yes, I am talking about faster than 28,800 Seiko was not the only one to use the term in this way, JLC for instance did, too
The Parmigiani Senfine? Not yet marketed i think ? Longines Calibre 431 ?
One of the first was the 1935 introduction by Minerva of a 360,000 A/h movement, Calibre number 42. This allowed the sweep second hand to complete one sweep each second with 1/100 second precision. (from watch-wiki.net ) This will make an impressive l...
Thought of the Senfine...
But it's still in prototype stage, like the new Zenith Defy Lab, IIRC. Thanks a lot! Added the Longines in the meantime and the Minerva will follow 👍🏻
Interesting my friend
The AP is the Jules Audemars Chronometer with AP escapement. I found the Buren Calibre 82 (5 Hz) Best wishes Alkiro
Thanks Alkiro!
Do you know of any others, too? You seem to shoot such things from the hip
Here are 3:
All very different and based on AS cal's, as also used with FL & Eberharfor. The UN was based on ETA as your Eterna. Piaget & Movado also did high beats - but not sure if in house. Citizen & Orient too - a Seiko link? Felca also had a standalo...
Thanks a lot!
Will add them. Movado was El Primero, IIRC? And three wonderful specimen you have! 👌🏻
Did you buy it in 1989?
The logo sure looks like the 90's logo (note the slight difference with the logo on the example I posted, which also has a Zenith 40.0), but I didn't think the chronograph came with the wave bracelet after 1986, when the 1911 bracelet came out. I'm always...
GP high beat cals are:
30, 32, 42.1, 42.4, 440, Ernest Borel had a high beat offering in the 70s too?
Variations on the AS1687/1688...
include members of the Communaute de Precision Horlogere, formed in 1957 at the promotion of Charles Blum of Ebel. They worked together with A. Schild to develop a 5-Hz version of those ebauches (also, I believe, an automatic winder for it). Gerard-Perreg...
Wow - thanks for that, Rick!
Glad for all this additional information - will add it to the post above ASAP! The beauty of Puristspro, I guess - the learning never ends
I found a couple more...
I did indeed find an example of an Ebel FastBeat with the caliber 215, which is the high-beat version of the AS1687: This was in an auction ad. The Fast Beat also came with the AS 1920, which was only supplied as a 5-Hz movement. We also know it as the Gi...
You are a star, Rick!
Have added the Mido, the GPs I did not have and the others that were new. 👍🏻 Thank you so much! If you come across any others...
Added more Longines calibres
- 430: central seconds - 431: central seconds, date - 432: time only - 433: small seconds - 6952: date - 6972: day date
Seiko calls this a Hi-Beat...
It's the "Seiko SUS Military" released in 1996. With a 25 jewel 4S15 movement operating at 28,800 vph based on a King Seiko movement from the 1970s. There were two versions, a black dial (SCFF001) and a silver dial (SCFF003). I understand that 'SUS' stand...
Several manufacturers used to call 28800 vph watches Hi-Beat at some point
This includes Seiko and JLC amongst others. Your SUS was part of the return of high end mechanical movements for Seiko in the 1990s and I believe the 4S15 movement was a modern version of the 52 series of movements from the 1970s. And the watch is definit...
hahaha...
I searched for many years as well... found this one in December 2003 in a small second used watch shop under the tracks in Ueno, Tokyo... I just happened to be wearing it this weekend. Thanks for the additional information ; )
