DRMW
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Raphmeister: You need to read this....
Hello Raph,
If you were disappointed with the products unveiled at SIHH 2009, fine and many (including myself) would also agree. You think that certain products are overpriced? That's also fine and again I may agree with you. You want others to chime in on what they liked/disliked, no problem. Constructive criticism is always a benefit to us all. As stated before, your opinions are welcomed.
However, the problem is this statement you made:
"in this community, there are folks who are brand champions, either
because they love (which could be loving blindly all the time or not),
or have been plied with freebies, goodies, the treatment, better
discounts and loan watches from the brands to the point that perhaps
their objectivity can be a little hazy. don't have to bother with
some(not all yuh) watch magazine journos as well, as they'll sing
praises of any brand that will do a lot of advertising with them and
keep offering them cheaper watches. sorry i digress..."
With the above statement you are questioning the integrity and honesty of someone and implying deception and bias. Accusations are NOT ACCEPTABLE here on the forums especially without any reasonable proof or justification.
As I have stated before to others, the problem with the internet and
all message boards/forums is that sometimes the message doesn't come across
correctly and we have problems like this. If this was NOT your intention or the words you used are misinterpreted please clarify. You were asked by other moderators for clarification and have not done so.
-MW
SIHH 2009... Some gems but mostly a waste of time
I've seen the countless reports, the press pics, the live pics here and elsewhere and one word comes to mind... Dissapointed. well theres no pleasing everyone of course but I figure the brands could do a little better. The pricing on some of the new relea...
VC is part of Richemont so I doubt Swatch would give bonuses
to VC :P My 2 favorite watches at SIHH 2009 are the Montblanc Star Nicolas Rieussec Open Date and the new Cartier Rotonde w/ new in-house central chronograph. Since I named 2 that I like, guess I need to name 2 that I don't like much so I guess that would...
I disagree with a significant chunk of what you've written
You're entitled to your opinion. Here's mine, based on what I saw in Geneva. 1. The Urwerk 103T is more of the same. It may be "cool", maybe even uber-cool, but it is nothing new. It is disappointing. 2. The AP Chronometer is technically very interesting ...
ok, i get it...
i wasn't there it makes a difference. seeing them in the metal, hearing the marketing tales(or bs) straight from the horses mouths and asking your questions of the brand principals could lead to different views being formed. my current views are such but ...
Surely you think better of me than to think my views...
Were formed because I heard 'marketing tales (or bs)' straight from the horses mouth. My detailed SIHH report will be out over this weekend, it will explain most of my views. Briefly regarding Piaget, they have a strong history as a manufacture, particula...
i think highly of u SJX
apologies if that didn't appear to be the case in my post cheers raph
more about holding and playing with the watch models ;)
that i was alluding to that makes a difference. note i am referring to seeing and playing with the actual watches launched and not to the female models wearing them in the piaget or cartier shows i guess we also all have limited funds to buy watches and a...
Are you?
I don't have to own a watch to like it. I like, and love, many more watches than I own and will own for a long time. I can like I cannot afford, but I clearly elucidate why I love them. For example the De Bethune Dream Watch tourbillon features a unique t...
maybe i shouldn't have asked the question...
i was hoping it would be taken in a more open minded manner. i totally agree with what you have said in that one does not have to own a watch to like it. "I like, and love, many more watches than I own and will own for a long time." Same goes for me. I wa...
You wrote "i know u have the means of course or i wouldn't ask."
If that were true, and you knew me well enough to say it as a fact - which you do not - why on earth would you be publicising it on a forum read by hundreds of thousands each day? And if it were untrue, it would be an incredibly condescending statement wo...
Mother statements are best backed up by substance
which the TS doesn;t seem to have demonstrated. I just stumbled upon this humorous (now at least) thread. Some uncalled for remarks and while some found the starting post refreshing and eye-opening, I think knowing a tad more about watches now, I find mys...
Hello raphmeister, you might want to...
Hello Raph, Thank you for your opinions on SIHH 2009. "When you say Piaget has done a great job from diversifying away from jewellery, could you educate me on why you say so? Did they bring in watch masters or technical expertise or spend significantly on...
No fence sitting!
Excellent opinions - no fence sitting or polite chit chat. Agree with most - aside for JeanRichard, Cartier and De Bethune - these brands are actually really trying to move forward and have, IMHO some very promising models and design cues. De Bethune is t...
thanks AFSG :)
just presenting an unadulterated opinion is all. in this community, there are folks who are brand champions, either because they love (which could be loving blindly all the time or not), or have been plied with freebies, goodies, the treatment, better dis...
Remarkable gravamen, Raph . . .
. . . which would have drawn a measure of respect had you chosen to elucidate with the identities of the "folks who are brand champions" you're referring to. I wonder if you have the courage and integrity to name the objects of your derision . . . Art
I think he's alluding to me, ...
since I have been promoting Rolex Leopard. I have been negotiating to get Rolex Leopard at a good price and thus by proclaiming here I hope to get a better discount treatment. "ROLEX is the BEST and Rolex Leopard is the king of all watches and once I got ...
seems i hit a sensitive spot
the remark was not directed to anyone at thepurists. is that good enough? cheers raph
You are clearing insinuating something serious about some "folks" on this forum
Please take the trouble to elaborate. I take the independence of this forum seriously and want to see what exactly you have to say. - SJX
So what community are you writing about?
Sorry but where do you think you can go so far and then retrieve back so easily? Dje
I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment that "thematic" LEs may be overplayed...
but has ANYONE bothered to consider that the Montouk and other specific named LE are/were specifically requested by the dealer/organization they were designed and produced for? And that those retailers, for the most part, have a ready customer base for it...
Raph, what a refreshing read...
And a brave one as well. I enjoyed it. Personally, I agree with you on Lange . Esp Richard Lange Pour Le Merit. Fantastic new products this year, not forgetting the grey dial WG Datograph Perpetual, although the thick case is a down side for me. I am keen...
Hello Aaron Koh....
Hello Aaron Koh, "46mm? I cant see how that is wearable as a dress watch." You might want to take a look at the AP forum entitled " So you think the ChronAP is too big ? " : www.network54.com It contains detailed on-the-wrist pics, you might be surprised....
Thank u DRMW....
Thanks for the link and I am quite pleasantly surprised. In all watches, I feel it should not only looks proportionately to your wrist but in person as a whole as well. And I am looking forward to that but I hardly doubt I would get to try one on in perso...
IMHO, SJX’s reviews are more creditable, why?
Because he has been there and saw it in flesh than someone who just see it in pics and blah blah blah No I don’t think by doing that, watch companies will send you there to play with the watches haha. Should I also ask what have you been smoking Mr Raphme...
Agreed!
With my limited English and alcohol content in my blood, I don't want to say too much lest I will offend certain people. Thanks for saying what's in my muddle-brain clearly. cen@jkt This message has been edited by cen@jkt on 2009-01-31 08:55:45
You are Wellcome, I don't think some self profess expert should
undermind the good works that our Moderators have done
gettin out of hand
never intended it to but hit some nerves along the way. i meant no malice to the mod team here but may have not come across well. i shant read the responses on this thread anymore but will respond to any pms on the matter. cheers raph
Raphmeister: You need to read this....
Hello Raph, If you were disappointed with the products unveiled at SIHH 2009, fine and many (including myself) would also agree. You think that certain products are overpriced? That's also fine and again I may agree with you. You want others to chime in o...
Clarifying on the statement then... and msg to the purists moderator team
Hi all I want to say that, the statement was not in reference to folks here(which i have noted already) but can see how it could be taken the wrong way. There is a wider community out there of which thepuristspro is a part of which is the watch enthusiast...
Thanks for the clarification but
whether it is in this community or other communities I don't think it's good/right to make statements that will stir things up. Just talk about watches,reviews and keep the politics out Many thanks William
