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For Vintage Collectors : Scriledge?
Not sure if anyone saw Darren’s beautiful bespoke piece he had Thomas Prescher create with a vintage Zenith movement in the AHCI section ( http://ahci.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-16/pi-5270788/ti-787468/s-0/ 
but I kinda like it and thought it’s a nice way to revive some great movements.
Or is it?
What do vintage collectors or collectors in general think of this?
I was kinda thinking of doing the same in a series of 3 for my 3 kids with what are considered (I read that is) to be 3 great vintage movements in the likes of:
Longines 13ZN
Omega 30T2RG
Zenith Cal 135
I did think of the Peseux 260 and the Valjoux (I think) VZSS movements but they seem to be really tough to find.
So is this considered a sacriledge in the vintage collecting world?
For Vintage Collectors : Scriledge?
Not sure if anyone saw Darren’s beautiful bespoke piece he had Thomas Prescher create with a vintage Zenith movement in the AHCI section ( http://ahci.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-16/pi-5270788/ti-787468/s-0/ but I kinda like it and thought it...
Some Independants already did it, and did anybody complain?
But it would be much more affordable to find these 3 Real Mac Coys, IMO. A Zenith Cal 135 can be found, as well as a 13 ZN and an Omega 30 T 2. Peseux 260 can be found in some watches such as the Be Ba, not common, but some are spotting from time to time....
Agree Nico
I've found my Cal 135 and am looking for the other 2. If you have suggestions for worthy movements, pls do so.
Omega 30 T 2, JLC Cal 450 / 488 / 478 / 479, 494, IWC Cal 89
There are more than 2 or 3 to get, my friend, without forgetting these Vintage Longines Chronometers... Exciting thema! Best, Nicolas
I've been looking at the Cal 89
together with the 83 and 88 as well. As for the Longines Chronometre movement, which do you suggest? I think Kari used the 360 for his Cal 27? Longines seem to come up strong for their chrono movements in the 13ZN followed by the 30H (some alphabet). Than...
The Longines movements are famous for their Chronographs, but they
Are not bad with their Chronmeters, either. I am working on this topic, to say all.... Best, Arthur. Nicolas
Not necessarily sacrilege
Personally, I wouldn't remove a movement from an existing vintage watch to do this, unless it were an unrestorable basket case. On the other hand, the price of gold means that there are lots of movements on ePrey at the moment that have been removed from ...
Thanks Nick
I'm in 2 minds about getting movement only or full watch but for this project, yes, the former seems to make sense. I just thought it'd be nice to hand down the original case as well so it gives them an option to switch back... maybe I shouldn;t give them...
agreed
It's a shame to cannibalize existing pieces, but there are lots of vintage movements that need good homes. _john
New life...
... It depends I would myself anytime prefer the original. But as mentioned, there are calibers without housing for whatever reason. Or with a completely destroyed housing. In those cases do I strongly agree on giving the caliber, the heart and brain of a...
I can fully appreciate where you are coming from
I guess for me, I'm more into movements and hence the emphasis on movements. I see the work that Prescher did on Darren's piece, what Voultilainen has done with the Peseux 260 and the Longines chrnonometre movement for his Cal 27 and I'm thinking price as...
This I think will be long in the making
I have procured the Cal 135 and now deicing on which other 2. Then it will be deciding on which Indie although in my mind there is a strong favorite, speaking with him, agreeing cost, design and then of course going into the actual development which wil i...
i think its a great idea.
Chronoswiss built their whole business on using predominantly vintage Enicar movements in their pieces so i see it as a great way of using movements that might otherwise be ditched. Greib & Benzinger do it, Habring did it with the Chezard jump second, eve...
The purpose of a movement is to power a watch...
and an unused NOS or orphaned movement is not performing its function, so it is in a sense "fair game". There is also an allure in creating a bespoke watch - having that special relationship with an independent watchmaker and creating unique gifts for you...
Horopatience!
Ha! That's a good one Ginger! Yes I do imagine this will be required in truck loads and patience is... lets just say a bit more of a virtue in my less then founder days but still not my strong point But for this project, I will steel myself for the wait a...
Arthur i didnt read your post fully and now i have
i still think its a great idea, but not with a 13ZN movement. they deserve to stay as they were made, one of the finest chronographs made. i see no issues with the time only chronometer grade movements as long as the one you buy is well past recovering. p...
I can see where you are coming from
with the 13ZN. It looks fantastic! I'm thinking of a chronograph, a sub-seconds chronometer for my 2 boys and then a central seconds chronometer for my daughter to complete the R3 (3 is supposed to be cube but I have no clue how to make that happen on a m...
if your specifically looking for...
if your specifically looking for chronometers then you've probably got them all in mind. were you considering bigger cases for the boys and original case size for your daughter ? 33-35mm for a girl these days is a decent size, but the boys would probably ...
Hi Graham. Thanks again for this
I'm thinking maybe 39mm for all but you brought up a good piont... maybe 36mm for my daughters. I've nailed down the Cal 135, almost there with the 13ZN so now it's a toss between the 30T2 and the IWC Cal 83. For the 30T2, worth paying more for the RG gra...
if your looking for chronometers...
if your looking for chronometers then the 30T2rg is a must. the standard 30T2 is a fine movement which can be found quite cheaply, but its not chronometer certified. if you stray away from chronometers then the world opens up and the cost drops dramatical...
Other chronometer movements out there
Depends what we're talking about. I think people have become a little fixated on a handful of movements and forget that there were plenty of others. Fritz Von Osterhausen's Wristwatch Chronometers gives dozens of examples and doesn't include them all. I t...
Interesting Discussion....
When I decided to move forward with this project, my one firm ground-rule was that I would not remove a Zenith 135 from it's surrounding timepiece. If the watch was going to come together, it would have to be with an "orphan" movement which had, for one r...
Darren, your lovely bespoke Prescher
provided the spark of inspiration for this R3 project. I am noting the many comments of going with orphaned movements for this project....
You will get both praise and criticism but it's your choice
A friend of mine once built this Nomad trailer to pull behind his wagon. It came from a rusty body shell. He got lots of abuse from car guys for doing this, even though he "saved" part of that junked car, they wouldn't believe he hadn't "sacrified" a good...
It will be done in a rather
classic, conservative style and definitely not in the vein of futuristic designs like Urwerk or DeBethune. It is not me and for me, not right for these movements. Definitely won't have any figurine stuck to it as well LOL and no play on marketing gimmicky...
Excellent
Not putting a vintage movement into a Seiko Galante case and bracelet then? Cazalea
How is the IWC Cal 83 movement?
How is this movement and in the grand scheme of things, is it a vintage movement to have when up against the likes of the Cal 135, 13ZN etc? I think it looks quite cool and for this project whcih I intend to have see through case backs, it''s more differe...
IWC 83: a classic 1930s movement
This is classic 1930s pocket watch technology in a wristwatch size. Good quality and has the reputation of being a workhorse. I don't know if it was ever taken to chronometer standards. It's 26.5mm, and would originally have been cased in a case around 30...
Thanks for the insight into the Cal 83
Good to know. It is starting to look like the 30T2RG to wrap up after the Zenith Cal 135 and Longines 13ZN.
Arthur, this would be an interesting project.
These 3 high quality movements deserve appreciation. Make sure that you engage three 3 reputable independent watchmakers to undertake the job. Scriledge? Not at all. Regards Ling
HI Ling
It'll be just one watchmaker that I want to be working with. To lessen my headache but more importantly, to ensure that there is a common element going through all three watches.
Yes but he doesn't know it yet LOL
Seriously though, I have given him a very high level and preliminary heads up and will be meeting him in July to discuss when he visits on other business.
Hello Arthur...
I am all for it! In fact, I am currently working on just such a project... Best regards, Tony C.
Tony! How art thou my friend!
I already got in touch with a certain watch maker and hope to procure my 13ZN by next week. What you you reckon for the last? Omega 30T2SC RG, 30T2RG or Cal 89? Any other suggestions? Your views on this of course cherished.
Cal 89 question : why does one have more
words etched on the bridge when compared to the Cal 89in the lower pic? Thanks all...
Longines 13ZN question
I notice some have 13ZN etched near the balance wheel and some don;t. Is one or the other right or BOTH right? Thanks.
Longines....
Hi, Arthur, Longines way to name the calibers is a bit puzzling during that period. Caliber 13 ZN was made in a large number of different versions - all called 13ZN. Surface treatement/finish differs from silver plated/Geneva stripes, to frosted gold, nic...
THanks Suitbert
Good to know. I am just concerned about buying a fake. And seeng I am so new at vintages, there is that great possibility.
Arthur,...
Hi, I just briefly read about your project, so sorry if there's any sort of misinterpretations on my side. I'd recomend to specialize a bit, or let's say focus a bit if you'd like to enter the vintage movement world. Don't believe those who make overly b/...
Thanks for the book recommendation
It is indeed confusing like for the 13ZN, there seem to be 3 different kinds of 13ZN using varying amount of copper/brass (the goldish looking metal). Are these all real and just from different production years or one or 2 or all fake? THe middle movement...
Actually there are even more....
Hi Arthur, in short, from top to bottom: - frosted guilt (gold) - "Shockresist" shock protection, simple version - base plate for three part case - flyback function - relatively poor movement condition, lots of oxidation and poorly "restored"..... - that'...
Good grief! You saw all that?
Damn! Thanks again. So safe to say you would not recommend any of the 3 listed. Geesh.. I have so so so so so much to learn.
...what's more...
...Suitbert's not yet had them apart on the bench to discover damaged pivots, misaligned pallets, gouged barrel, cracked jewels, mashed screw heads, crossed threads... On a vintage handwound movement that was used a lot you can almost guarantee that the t...
Thanks Nick. You and Suitbert
ave brought up very apt comments and pints. Thank you. I have now decided not to proceed on a couple of 13ZNs offer to me in particular, the first and 3rd of the ones I posted. I need help... where or how do I go about finding a good 13ZN and 30T2RG? Arth...
Arthur, your best way...
Arthur, your best way of buying a good movement is to buy a working watch, but then you have the issue of taking a perfectly good watch apart to use the movement which doesnt sit well with any of us including you. you've opened up a minefield for yourself...
Just an update
Have nailed down the Longines 13ZN and hope to receive that by next week. It's deciding on the last movement now which looks to be either an Omega 30T2RG or 30T2SCRG....
The Zenith Cal 135 arrived yesterday
My eldest says to leave it as is....... hmmm..... decisions decisions.......
Remember you asked if it would be sacrilege...?
Your eldest is wise beyond his years - heed the voice of wisdom. Unusual, immaculate dial, case look in very good condition. nick
LOL... I think I will
A trained set of eyes here took a look at it and advised that it is probably a re-dial but done nicely and the shot of the movement looked good. the dial color is indeed very nice and unusual. It,s not whote or wilver but a very light creamy coloiur and t...
Will look out for that Nico. hope you will share more about the 2000 series
for me to gain more background about my new old watch. BTW, I have the Longines 13ZN coming in next week. A redial again I am told but the movement is very clean.
Well, I just saw a NOS one, with the silver dial.
But there were several " 2000 ", Chronomters and no Chronometers, and some came with a black dial, like Ztirual's superb specimen. So, the Experts should help you on that matter. Best, Nicolas
to live for your children...
to live for your children makes you a very lucky man. enjoy it before they take off and get too busy to contact you. thats the excuse i get anyway G...
well Arthur, if he...
well Arthur, if he likes it as it is thats the best way to give it to him. if you re case it and rework it he will only be disappointed. looking at the pics i agree with him. its too good to take apart. best G
I would leave that one precisely as it is....
as it's near perfect. The dial and case are in good shape - so long as the movement has been serviced it should be ready to go. Darren