VMM
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Sharing, that was the point. :)
The owner is not really into watches, he doesn't even know how lucky he is, so he does not take care of the watch as we would do. He just wears it.
I know if the watch was mine it would be in almost "perfect" condition.
My post was just informative. As I said in the past, I found it "weak" compared with other watches that ding or scratch, this one (carbon forged) just dissapears.
Thanks.
Peace! 
Vte
About the Team Alinghi. Specially for swcloh and ThomasM.
Hi mates. Remember the thread about the TA and the Bumble Bee? ap.watchprosite.com The point is to add more info and to show you why I said what I said. No doubt the watch is a stuning toy, but just have a look. A pity. (moderator's note: I showed these p...
Wow guess you put your watches through some heavy abuse!
These Alinghi Team carbon pics make me cringe. I've never seen one in such horrible condition :P I keep looking at your pics and I'm not sure if it's just the lighting/flash that makes the carbon look all mangled up or if the carbon is actually indeed bea...
Im not sure the point? I seen steel watches worse. and obviously
Gold and Pt as well. What's the point? Thanks for sharing those pictures, by the way. Very unusual to see a watch abused so badly (yes, I consider tha abuse, like driving over curbs with low profile tires.) Hey, maybe that's so rare the owner can offer it...
Sharing, that was the point. :)
The owner is not really into watches, he doesn't even know how lucky he is, so he does not take care of the watch as we would do. He just wears it. I know if the watch was mine it would be in almost "perfect" condition. My post was just informative. As I ...
If I show pictures of Lamborghinis stalled at the side of the roadway
with commentary that Lamborghinis are unreliable, that would be a pretty one sided presentation, wouldn't it? How about a pocket knife that is regularly used to strike magnesium bars to start a fire? to chop firewood over a large boulder? Would it be surp...
But Thomas...
...Lamborghinis ARE unreliable, tow-truck tourers... If the smileys didn't make it clear, that was in jest. (by the way a Scaglietti meandered past the front of my house last night, the air conditioning compressor whine was louder than the exhaust...wry s...
Three years. For the 32nd America's cup.
He is not definitely a careful person as we can see. He just wears the watch and don't think/care about scratches, dings or whatever. The watch is running great and keeping perfect time, by the way. Vte
Hi Vte, got your pm but cant reply
Thanks for the pm but really there is no reason that discussion has to take place privately or offline. I hope you don't misunderstand, I have absolutely no agenda or desire to push an agenda. You mention "weaker" - yet you don't define weaker. By some de...
Specific terms have specific meanings
Several people asked: How could the damage seen occur? Easy. If you are reaching into openings or past ropes...these things happen when you're using your hands. I'm more impressed that a 'high end' watch got treated like a g-shock and came out with flying...
That's exactly my point, BDLJ...
Thanks for chipping in. I'm doing final edits on a post going into each of those materials qualities in more detail, but no one from AP (or me) ever claimed carbon forge had higher abrasion resistence than steel; in fact, I think I've written on more than...
Funny. Had the same discussion, seemingly centureis ago ....
... when I was still a very ambitioned amateur photographer, and camera manufacturers started to use plastic instead of metal on its camera bodies. Back then, the "pro" community met this move with almost unanimous rejection - until they felt the weight d...
My comments...
I really can't believe the condition of this Alinghi. What a shame. You are right, the owner doesn't care but I have to say it's not the carbon. It's the owner. If he wore a steel or gold watch I am sure it would look just as bad or even worse. That's ins...
Thanks, ATW. I think Vte misunderstood my comments, and might yours as well.
The pictures were not "pointless" in general, but pointless to "prove" forged carbon is "weaker" than metal. I sincerely hope Vte 1. will continue to engage in this very important issue 2. is not offended by my (or your) comments. In the end, I think the ...
Not meaning to offend VTE or anyone for that matter....
just expressing my thoughts. VTE, don't take offense. When I said this post is pointless I meant to convey only regarding the strength of the carbon. Hey who am I to judge anyone. If this owner doesn't care about his watch that's his choice. For me, I jus...
No offense taken. Thanks ATW.
This is about learning by sharing and that's what we do, don't we? Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they are very welcome. Peace! Vte
And I thought I was tough on my AP's.
I wear my AP's every day. Since I wear short sleeve shirts, the watch has no protection, but living with the little nicks and scratched beats the heck out of not wearing my AP's. JerryW
What exactly did he do wearing the watch?
Hard to imagine normal wear and tear can do that to any watch.
It looks as if it was given a stone wash!
Reminds me of the jeans that are purposefully 'stone washed' to give them that 'used' and 'cool' look. I say this because from the pix, the buttons, crown, and dial look pristine, but the case onlyh looks as if it was sanded and marred on purpose. Must be...
Thanks for remembering!
Hi VMM, Thanks for remembering that I was torn between the Alinghi & Bumblebee. I did purchase a Bumblebee after all but after I got it, I saw both the Survivor & Grand Prix and fell in love with both pieces. Since then, I sold the Bumblebee and is waitin...
AP is constantly improving its materials and materials working processes and
in fact, I discussed this specific issue with them. Since the very first batches, they'll experimented with different ratios of the binder to the carbon fiber; different composition of the binder; etc. Zirconium Oxide, commonly called ceramic, has also co...
This Grand Prix pic looks amazing....
love the old school benz across the way as well
some base point definitions about carbon forge
Let it be a given that carbon forge has lower surface abrasion resistence than 316L steel, so we don't need to repeat that point again; no one is disagreeing with that fact. Cheers, TM
wow
quite rough treatment to a nice watch... this texture of beaten-up forged carbon reminds me of those 15 year old balling balls in the playarea of the university... now that I think about it, forged carbon itself looks like those balling balls in black??? ...