Watch auction

May 09, 2017,12:58 PM
 

I have never purchased a watch from an auction. I have seen 4 Pateks which have caught my eyes and I am very tempted to bid on them. The description says all of these watches have the relevant papers. 


Does anyone have any experience of purchasing a watch from an auction? Are there anything specific that one needs to be aware of?

Many thanks for your input


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 By: Tony C. : May 9th, 2017-13:34
First, be sure to research the fees, as "buyer's premiums" can be quite high, and especially given an expensive lot. Also consider the tax ramifications (e.g. if you are in the E.U., win a foreign auction and have the watch shipped, you'll be penalized he... 

Very useful tips

 
 By: Poky : May 9th, 2017-16:21
Thank you Tony. Sounds like it is not as easy as I had first imagined.

First off

 
 By: keks : May 9th, 2017-13:37
make sure you trust the auction house. Generally this is not an issue if one of the major houses or a local house you are familiar with. Secondly, if you are not able to personally inspect the piece or have someone you trust go inspect it, then ask the au... 

Wow, sounds like entering some dark territories

 
 By: Poky : May 9th, 2017-16:22
Important points you have made me aware of. Thank you

In my opinion, prices can be attractive at the first sight if you win the auction (I suppose you think about the next weekend Swiss auctions).

 
 By: Alkiro1 : May 9th, 2017-13:43
But when you add auction fees and VAT + import taxes, you can reach a final price well above your expectations. In my opinion, you have to really keep that in mind before placing a bid. And be cautious about the enthusiasm of auctions ;-) Best wishes Alki... 

I am realising that the prices can be deceiving

 
 By: Poky : May 9th, 2017-16:25
Perhaps it is not as cheap as I had originally thought. Many thanks Alkiro

Read the condition report

 
 By: Joepny : May 9th, 2017-14:17
and ask questions if something is missing or not clear. If you don't get a response then that's a sign you should pass. There are some houses that won't give judgement whether something has been restored/re-dialed so keep that in mind. Know your upper lim... 

The more I am reading, the more I am realising that I should attend one of these auctions as a spectator first

 
 By: Poky : May 9th, 2017-16:28
It will give me some ideas of what it is like. The old saying "if something is too good to be true then it is not true" is resonating with me.

Can't add much more than these posts

 
 By: watch-guy.com : May 9th, 2017-15:55
Do your homework See the watches irl or get some one you trust to view them Work out prices incl conversion commission taxes vat Julian

Sounds like a lot of homework

 
 By: Poky : May 9th, 2017-16:29
Now I understand why some of the dealers in the second hand market mark up their prices. Thank you

I think that holds true in other fields as well - the auction circuit is a tricky one

 
 By: cazalea : May 9th, 2017-17:24
I've never bought a watch, but I've been engaged in auto auctions, art auctions, general company bankruptcy/salvage auctions, etc. In general I have spent more than I intended. I've gotten more items than I planned to buy. The quality has been equal or le... 

25% buyers commission kills it for me!!!

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : May 9th, 2017-20:06
If you want something impossible to get then this is the route otherwise seldom found a bargain.

Be realistic ....

 
 By: watercolors : May 10th, 2017-03:54
prepare for the unexpected, have a strategy to deal with dishonesty. For example: no papers, incomplete info, franken parts etc. If you're lucky it will be a win win resolution. Enjoy your purchase. Best Regards Edward

I add one more comment to the very helpful suggestions others have made. Condition Reports can be extremely helpful, but not for the obvious reason.

 
 By: patekova : May 10th, 2017-05:51
If a CR gives a glowing assessment I would not so readily accept it as entirely accurate. If the CR points out negatives you can be virtually certain, what is stated is true.

You've had an excellent feedback from our fellow purists

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 10th, 2017-09:27
I can't add much more except that in such well-known auctions, if there is something to buy (i.e. price is interesting) pro sellers will be there to catch it too. If they stop bidding, it means it is too high. I would then say that you can be lucky with w... 

I am now having a second thought after all the feedback.

 
 By: Poky : May 10th, 2017-12:03
I have decided to attend one of these and get a feel for it before risking my hard earned cash. Some of the Pateks look so nice in the photos though. I need to be strong!

Auctions?!

 
 By: sham1 : May 10th, 2017-10:07
I have only bought one watch ever via an auction and my advice is that you should have some money put aside in case the watch needs a service or a repair. I spent £850 on a vintage IWC and another £1,450 after sending the watch back to IWC to have the wat... 

That is what I had thought.

 
 By: Poky : May 10th, 2017-12:04
It may cost me more than what I could get at a dealer but some of the examples will be difficult to get.

check the watches in person if possible...

 
 By: heimo : May 10th, 2017-12:18
They know how to photograph the watch... Benjamin

One more important suggestion: if possible bring with you a ...

 
 By: GLau : May 12th, 2017-08:11
PuristS friend who is familiar with buying at auctions Last year I bought my first auction piece after having attended previous ones as an onlooker. PuristS conkers gave me invaluable bidding advice and Keks gave amazing moral support ! Whether you buy o... 

Hi keks, The pleasure was all mine !

 
 By: GLau : May 12th, 2017-17:56
The (steel) jungle (Hong Kong) is waiting for you as there is an auction by Phillips at end of May. Cheers, Gordon

Yes I remember it well.

 
 By: Conkers : May 12th, 2017-18:55
Was fun! Lots of auctions coming up and I am sure I will be busy!

Gordon, Conkers, are you going to the preview and/or auction of Philips at the end of May?

 
 By: riverside / Henry : May 13th, 2017-04:31
In case you are, shall we meet there? Regards, Henry

Good idea Henry ! What are the dates for viewing for the auctions ?

 
 By: GLau : May 13th, 2017-09:32
Hope to catch up soon ! Cheers, Gordon

Hi Gordon, the dates are

 
 By: riverside / Henry : May 13th, 2017-17:22
The Hong Kong Watch Auction: FOUR Auction 30 May 1pm & 6pm HKT Mandarin Oriental Hong Kong 5 Connaught Road, Central, Hong Kong Public Viewing 25 – 29 May Thursday – Monday 10am-6pm Henry

Henry/Gordon......

 
 By: Conkers : May 17th, 2017-17:47
I will go to Phillips and Christies previews on Sunday 28th May. Any good for you? Rgds Roger

I went yesterday Gordon

 
 By: Conkers : May 28th, 2017-02:51
I am afraid. Sorry to miss you.

I didn't read this till now.

 
 By: riverside / Henry : May 29th, 2017-06:58
Sorry to have missed both of you. However, we can always arrange a day. Regards, Henry

auction purchases

 
 By: PPJames : May 16th, 2017-05:20
I have purchased 100's of high end watches at auction. BUYER BEWARE!! All good advice give here. I do try to inspect each watch I bid on, if possible. Although when I do I take my phone and use the camera (with zoom) to inspect the case, dial, movement. N... 

Beware of Christies Geneva

 
 By: jim vancouver : May 17th, 2017-19:36
It is preferable to inspect the goods in the flesh. However, there are times when you won't be able to attend in person. I find that Sothebys CR tend to be trustworthy. And, they post a reasonable size photo on line. On the other hand, Christies offers on...