Patek Philippe 5131P - The "Ice King" is born

Mar 27, 2017,06:18 AM
 






The 5131P marks the conclusion of the four metal assemblage. Over the last 8-9 years we have seen white, yellow and rose gold. Basel saw the release of the platinum version.


Enamel dial world times are very special pieces for Patek Philippe. They have a rich history in this area. Many consider that Patek Philippe world time watches to be the epitome of the genre. It is certainly true that this forum has a very wide ownership of various world time watches. So, for the release of the 5131P there was a great deal of hope and expectation.


The watch was released on a platinum bracelet that cannot be interchanged with a leather strap. The initial reaction that I heard from many seasoned collectors was somewhat negative. In fact, for many, the bracelet was seen as preventing further consideration of the watch. I have not made a comment yet as I wanted to spend some time actually thinking about the watch before taking a view. I have now considered it a lot. I have tried to actually really understand the watch. And from that basis, my thinking is as follows.


The 5131P has all the ingredients to become a total classic.  This is why I think it is the star of the Basel fair……


First things first. The 5131 as a reference is all about the dial. How does the enamel sit relative to the dial colour. Up until now, I think all 5131s have worked beautifully. The nature of the contrast between enamel and case metal is what makes this reference so special. It is what stands it apart from other world time watches both inside Patek Philippe and against other manufacturers. Yes, the rose, yellow and white gold versions had some wonderful contrasts between enamel and metal. We all have our particular favourite, but they are all very beautiful.


But the 5131P is something else. To me, it is about understanding what the watch is trying to do. The focus on the dial is the North Pole. The North Pole sits at the top of the world. It is one of the coldest places on Earth. That North Pole enamel dial is set in the context of the purity of the white metal platinum.  Platinum, as a noble metal, is one the least reactive metals on the planet. It is one of the densest metals on the planet. I see a lot of extremes in this combination. Edges are being pushed.


To my mind, the dial, enamel and case material give the watch a much cooler image than the other metals. When i use the term “cooler”, I mean that in a temperature sense. It has a coldness. White snow. North Pole. Lots of blue ocean. White metal. Purity of platinum. Whereas the gold versions have that warmth in the contrast, the platinum version is actually making a distinct point of playing on its lack of warmth.


And that is why I think the platinum bracelet is exactly the right approach. Patek Philippe have taken a theme and they have pushed it…….and then pushed it even further. The use of a platinum bracelet takes this watch and shifts it from being cold to being super-cool. It is a fitting tribute to a watch that I believe will become a classic. To those that say the bracelet is not “right”, I disagree. To my mind, one needs to look at the bracelet in the context of what the watch is. In that sense, the platinum bracelet is not just right, it elevates the watch into a totally different sphere. It is taking an edge and pushing it.


Bravo. The Ice King is born.


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I like the case and bezel markings.

 
 By: MichaelC : March 27th, 2017-06:22
Very "cool" ;-)

Arghhhhh! A watch beyond the reach of mere mortals.

 
 By: Kit333 : March 27th, 2017-06:24
Real beauty in my eyes.

Ah, those wristshots are superb!

 
 By: crown comfort : March 27th, 2017-07:05
Now I'm also totally convinced, what a fantastic effort from PP!!! CC

Lousy job? :))) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : March 27th, 2017-09:26

Thank you for the shots: fantastic piece!

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : March 27th, 2017-12:38
For some reason the the Pole view looks much more realistic, much more like a map than the well known first two views.

You old romantic you.

 
 By: Miles_151 : March 27th, 2017-06:35
You\'ve just made love to a 5131p with words. I get what you say Joe and think it will be a classic for sure but a classic I could strap on to my wrist and make my heart skip each time I looked at it???? Not so sure. I think with a beautiful light grey/ w... 

I needed to understand it....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-06:40
.....but i see it as pushing the envelope on the 5131 reference. And for that reason, I fell for it.

ok...when you buy as 5230, is there a choice to put it on a bracelet?

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-06:51
I see the watch as pushing an extreme.....and I like it. Maybe it reflects a little on my own personality, but when i finally looked at it for what i see it for...I fell.

ownership is a completely different matter....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-07:12
.....i am just looking at the watch and giving a view of my impression. Yes....you guess right...i do like it a lot.

I hope so even if I won't (can't) be a buyer

 
 By: Alkiro1 : March 27th, 2017-22:24
Best wishes Alkiro

In the start of the life of a reference, Patek is hesitant to make changes.

 
 By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-22:34
But after two years or so after the introduction, it's easier to get the changes through. Best, Kari

They probably listen to clients' opinions

 
 By: Alkiro1 : March 28th, 2017-03:22
Best wishes Alkiro

I guess they try.

 
 By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-06:12
The problem is that within 1,000 clients there are 999 different opinions. Best Kari

You're right. Well spotted!

 
 By: Alkiro1 : March 28th, 2017-07:17
Best wishes Alkiro

Lovely review Baron!

 
 By: sham1 : March 27th, 2017-07:22
But I tried this watch on yesterday and its weight suggests it is only wearable occasionally. On a long haul flight, it might no be the best option as it might exceed the hand baggage weight limit! Lovely dial, I really like the snow on it

Couldn't agree more.

 
 By: Mr. M : March 27th, 2017-07:52
On this one the platinum bracelet seems to be a perfect match for the dial. A great surprise.

To me the issue with the bracelet is the weight

 
 By: alphabeta81 : March 27th, 2017-07:57
Plain and simple, platinum watches with platinum braces are like strapping a brick to your wrist. I understand the poetic reason for including the bracelet and you expand on that nicely. So I like it in theory. When it comes to the reality however, not gi... 

I understand the weight issue.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-08:04
.....but again I think that is all a part of the extreme nature of the design. I think it is an edge that is pushed. Truly, I get the fact that it is heavy...very heavy. But I am not sure that detracts from the concept of what the watch actually is...in f... 

If you could only have one 5131 would it be this one???

 
 By: Miles_151 : March 27th, 2017-08:32
Simple With the exception of 5970\'s and 5070\'s i have always been very strict with my collection and have never had two watches with the same model number. Now at times this has been difficult but that\'s what worked for me. So no same Rolex or Patek mo... 

If I only had one WT in total....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-08:34
Yes. This one. It\'s on a different level.

Then you are 100% right to go for it.

 
 By: Miles_151 : March 27th, 2017-08:38
And it will fill you with Joy. M

Another issue is -- the bracelet itself

 
 By: alphabeta81 : March 27th, 2017-08:47
It is simply not the same level of artistry and flair that this watch deserves. See the old 5107g bracelet design, would have been perfect here. Instead they use the same rice bracelet they put on the 5146 bracelet for example. This combo -- uninspiring b... 

I was supposed to write my post tonight

 
 By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-09:22
but why to bother? You said it all. During the winters I spend a lot of time in the arctic - it is my home or at least one of those. Anyhow, my heart is always in Lapland and the new 5131P is full of the spirit of the arctic part of the world. I did not l... 

Joe, you convinced me of two things.

 
 By: amanico : March 27th, 2017-09:35
1/ The watch is made for you. Obviously, you are in love with that 5131P, and that is so good to see you feel so. 2/ This watch is not made for me. I totally get your point about the bracelet, you made it with a lot of eloquence I must say. Still, I wonde... 

I think that, especially when Patek is considered,

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 27th, 2017-09:54
people would like to see what they want. This is natural but, aside from the fact it would be difficult to satisfy everyone, I don't think the way to success is to follow what people want but what they think their future offer should be. You made a clear ... 

Hi Baron, you made an excellent post , expressing very romantically why the bracelet was needed to make the watch whole ! IMO you are the ...

 
 By: GLau : March 27th, 2017-10:07
Shakespeare of interpreting this wonderful reference ! What a great post ! When Patek reads your post, I think they will hire you as their CSMO (Chief Strategic Marketing Officer) ! What you have written is at least as good if not better than the Patek sl... 

A great post, and excellent replies too.

 
 By: Chimaera : March 27th, 2017-11:27
My particular chuckle is the irony that the two places on earth where time-zones don\'t matter are....the poles. Beyond that, and fully appreciate the aesthetics, it is a bit like a pilot watch made of WG - this is a "travel" watch, but the bracelet just ... 

Simply a beautiful watch!

 
 By: russell996 : March 27th, 2017-11:34
Perfection.

I was taken by it instantly and said straight away: stunning piece

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : March 27th, 2017-12:03
I also fo find the bracelet fitting and generally a fitting bracelet to all Pateks. Nico finds it "silly", but I diseagree strongly. The North Pole view is a first and firsts are always a good sogn for collectibility. I like if, knowing that it will be ou... 

Strange.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-12:32
I feel that it is precisely because it is out of the ordinary that it\'s not immediately understood and accepted. Outdated would be one of the last adjectives that would come to my mind. Vive la difference.

You said silly! In context with the 5960 A1 and change to a leather strap.

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : March 27th, 2017-12:33
Or was it a certain carbon strap you found ... ?

You have got two poinst there! [nt]

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : March 27th, 2017-12:41

I agree and disagree with Nicolas. The 5960 A1 bracelet is somewhat silly as its design doesn´t match with the sporty character of that watch. But in my mind the bracelet of the 5131P

 
 By: cayenne1200 : March 29th, 2017-04:39
must be regarded in a completely different way. Here, imho, it is matching very well with the watch. I see the 5131P not only as a watch but also as a statement of Patek: Look what we are able to do as craftsmen and what we are standing for! The best of t... 

In fact we are discussing about subjective point of views

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2017-07:24
The thing is that I think I understand Nicolas as the bracelet is similar in design to the ones we knew in France in the 1980's. The problem is that this style hasn't aged well where we are. However, people from different regions, even still from western ... 

Wise words, Mark. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : March 29th, 2017-14:33

Of course all the statements here are given from the subjective point of view of each poster, Mark. I like it a lot here at PP Purists because I get so much valuable input from many individual different

 
 By: cayenne1200 : March 30th, 2017-00:11
perspectives. I highly apprecciate all the well-thought-out opinions of the members here. And for sure, Mark, an absolute truth does not exist in this world, lol.

ice king

 
 By: keks : March 27th, 2017-13:41
amazing summary of an incredibly beautiful piece Joe. I sincerely hope to see you add one in your collection soon, would be great to see it belong with someone who feels this strongly for it.

Thanks keks [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-23:42

Thank you Joe for a truly extraordinary review of the "icy cool" 5131 platinum!

 
 By: patekova : March 27th, 2017-19:09
It would be hard to imagine a more eloquently stated, detailed, passionate and convincing argument that the 5131 1/P is the most alluring and important of the four 5131 references. Yes, the bracelet might be somewhat controversial but it should not be for... 

Indeed.....thank you

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-23:41
Loving it is one thing....getting might be quite a different proposition!

Great analysis but....

 
 By: thomaspp : March 27th, 2017-20:45
my heart stays with the R and J. The warm metals and strap make the 5131 for me. My 2 cents

and that is 100% how it should be.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 27th, 2017-23:43
......each watch resonates with its owner in a very unique way...it shouldn't be any other way

+++1 on that. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : March 27th, 2017-23:59

I ma not a big fan of the WT and am not drawn to this piece - prefaced by saying I have not seen to IRL

 
 By: watch-guy.com : March 28th, 2017-00:49
reports are generally to the contrary and almost all have only positive things to say once they have seen it So maybe if ai get invited to the road show and see it I might change my mind I love the enamelled map but am not sure that the bracelet adds much... 

WT....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 28th, 2017-00:58
.....5030P was the second Patek Philippe that I bought. After that, it has slowly grown and grown. I think, when I look at my collection, I feel teh WTs add something that no other watch does. There is just something aboutr a WT that draws me in. Its not ... 

Cloisonne pieces are remarkable

 
 By: Mean Solar Time : April 23rd, 2017-20:06
It's literally impossible to appreciate the beauty of the cloisonné dials from the artist renderings on the website. Even to the naked eye it's tough to absorb how incredible the artwork truly is. Really, ... you have to see it with a magnifying glass. Th... 

ís konungur

 
 By: KamalRostov : March 28th, 2017-01:03
Truly understand your points Baron and thank you for the lovely read. To me, the sum of all the 'parts' for the 5131P, i.e. the choice of showcasing the north pole to a world time dial, the dial design itself, the metal, the bracelet et cetera; adds to th... 

no right or wrong......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : March 29th, 2017-04:56
......we all see watches in a unique perspective. Indeed, each watch has a specifically unique resonance with its specific owner. For me, I am in harmony with the 5131P. Niciolas is not.... but that is also right for him. He did say, however, that on a st... 

There is no weight issue as yes lighter than my 5711P 40th and I FI TT even notice it on my wrist.

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : March 29th, 2017-11:39
When I get mine (lol) I am taking the bracelet off abd putt g in a strap. Simple solution and not worth the angst

Perfection!

 
 By: Mean Solar Time : April 9th, 2017-13:23
Thank you for the review. In my opinion the bracelet is absolutely necessary to cap-off the collection of metals. It provides an extra degree of distinction that the platinum version of the reference deserves.