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Survey- having had time to review the 40th anniversary Nautiluses, thumbs up or down?
How do you Forum members cast your vote? I will be happy to start.
When I first saw the Patek generated images I was extremely disappointed and basically thought they were awful. Since then I have seen many other images which cast them in a somewhat more favorable light. Also, I have seen them in the metal and tried on the 5711P comparing it side by side to my 5711 1/A. As many have pointed out, the tombstone engraving and diamond markers are "not so bad" - the engraving is much less noticeable and the diamonds are not "blingy" at all. In fact at a glance one might assume the markers are steel.
So here is my opinion.
5711 P - Thumbs DOWN. I am sorry but something that costs more than 4 times the price of the steel version should not be "not so bad". It should be at least as nice if not more appealing. It should not look almost the same, but worse. How about having created something truly different?
5976G - This watch is much more interesting. Different metal and dial color than any 5980 and larger case. Answers the need of those who would like a jumbo watch. The negatives are the engraving and diamonds and the extreme weight (no need to go to the gym). Also the flip side of the appealing jumbo size is that for most people it is way too big. If this watch had been made in light weight titanium it would have been much more sensible. So, sorry another thumbs Down.
I think by using precious metals and diamonds Patek could justify the extremely high prices for these sport type watches. While generating large short term revenue (which unfortunately seems to be a priority) it was done at the expense of doing something truly exciting and original at a more accessible price point. Patek missed a wonderful opportunity to create something truly unique and captivating that would enhance the image of the brand and generate good will by utilizing a lower price point.
So bottom line, are the watches awful? Definitely not. I am sure many love the designs. I will continue to love the brand and look forward to future acquisitions, but for me, this was an opportunity lost.
What are your opinions?
Best, patekova
Survey- having had time to review the 40th anniversary Nautiluses, thumbs up or down?
How do you Forum members cast your vote? I will be happy to start. When I first saw the Patek generated images I was extremely disappointed and basically thought they were awful. Since then I have seen many other images which cast them in a somewhat more ...
Interesting to have your feedback after you saw it
I could handle the watches as well and it is indeed a very different experience than from the pictures (as usual we may say). I think also that people are waiting for something that wasn't the aim of the project from the beginning e.g. the super-perfect N...
Mark, thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed and well reasoned response!
You present logical and cogent support for each of your opinions/facts. Regarding pricing, one of the many things I admire about Patek, is that in general they resist the temptation to price their watches to reflect what the watches are likely to, or in f...
My pleasure, it is nice discussion these kind of things as well
Thanks for managing the subject in such a balanced way Cheers, Mark
Thank you Mark for your kind words. It will be very interesting, when the thread runs out of
steam, to compare the initial reaction of collectors when the watches were first introduced to how they feel now after calm reflection on the merits of these watches. It certainly has been extremely interesting to me to see how the views have evolved. Bes...
Don't understand the point if the thread.
These watches will be many people\'s grail watches and you are starting a thread bashing them. Why?
Russell, not my intent to bash them at all. Sorry if I have offended you or anyone else.
The purpose of the post is as follows: When these watches were released many collectors expressed very negative feelings about them ( and of course others liked or loved them). It was a kind of knee jerk reaction based solely on the press release by Patek...
I am pretty much done with this discussion
but must say that Patek could have done much better than what they did. Best, Kari
Thank you Kari for your reply and for all your prior posts on this subject!
i always read your posts with great interest as you express your viewpoint on all subjects in a way that adds considerably to a vibrant dialogue. Best, patekova
My opinion is my taste, hence a subjective answer.
A lost opportunity. Even if the non official pictures are much better and less " frightening ", I am not seduced at all. I would have expected something more... " Technical "? A different material, a new complication, well, something else. And no writing ...
+1
I agree with your comments. This watch has been damned with faint praise: "it\'s not as bad as I thought and from certain angles you can\'t see the writing!" Really?
These watches are fabulous in the metal
Have handled both of the Anniversary references. Was not so sure from the original pics, but in the metal these are breathtaking. I had assumed we would see a more complicated Nautilus for the 40th Anniversary, but maybe these are even better, more on the...
Thank you tahoeblue! Can't imagine a better presented statement in favor of
these Anniversary pieces. You have written exactly what I was hoping for, a well reasoned counter-point to the view I expressed. The purpose of my post was to initiate a hopefully intellectually stimulating, gentlemanly discussion about 2 watches that hav...
Yes Patekova, it is the right time to revisit this issue now !
With the initial press photos, I liked the brighter blue dial and thought it looked BEAUTIFUL. Although the diamond hour markers looked a bit shiny, I believed that they would be subdue in the metal because I had seen the 4675 and on the wrist its baguett...
Gordon thank you for your very interesting and well reasoned viewpoint!
In a way, I think the watches are already winners, although not universally loved - what is? It might seem strange to some, but it actually makes me happy that so many Purists seem to love these watches. I love the brand so if I am out voted that makes me...
Of course they could have done better
yes it would have been nice if the movement is a little different - say the micro rotor in platinum. I don't think you need the script at all if you make the dial colour a little different to the existing P and whilst it wasn't a target purchase for me - ...
Karistumke, glad to hear you liked the P enough to take the plunge! I hope
you like it even more when it is on your wrist! But, patekova
I didn't like the official photos at all, but now I've seen photos from actual owners I do like them.
To my mind though these watches are targeted at collectors who already have at least a small handful of Pateks, and if I was in that position I would buy one. As it is, I think when building a collection there are more interesting watches for the same pri...
Thanks RussW for your perspective. Sounds like another thumbs up, even though it might not
be your first choice at that price point. Best, patekova
chiming in
For me, I can't get the 5976/G as I have a small wrist. I know it was geared towards people who wanted a bigger watch so it was easy to pass on this. For the 5711/P. I have not seen the dial first hand but would have liked to see it in person before decid...
Thanks benzng for your response!
It IS a lot of money to spend on a watch sight unseen that aesthetically has a similar look to your 5711 1/A (assuming you have the blue dial). I will add this: IMHO the anniversary 5711P definitely looks much better in person than Patek's original images...
How easy is (was) the 5711P to order?
Is it just a matter of simply placing an order and the ability to purchase for 100k or is there other criteria?
700 pieces for the World is a relatively small number and demand is high. Thus, not so easy.
I suggest you contact the authorized dealer(s) from whom you have bought other Pateks so they can give you a definitive answer.
RESULTS OF SURVEY, sort of ...
Now that the thread seems to have run its course I offer a big thanks to all who shared their thoughts and perspectives on the 40th anniversary watches. It is really difficult to draw any firm conclusions from such a small sample, but based on this thread...