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quite a thread...
this is quite a thread that has developed. what sticks out in my mind is the "security measure" that Patek has taken to ensure that only worthy collectors are able to purchase their grand complication watches and hopefully will not flip them soon after delivery. therefore the OP will need to go through this application process and be judged by Mr. Stern. OR if the OP is a huge Patek fan but first time buyer, he may need to seek the assistance of the secondary market for this acquisition which will inflate the prices based on supply/demand. Turning to the more cynical "grey market dealer as OP" view, it would probably be rather difficult for a grey market dealer to purchase these types of watches on the secondary market and STILL turn a profit on re-sale.
Based on my personal experiences, I was able to handle a 5016P a few months ago. It is a remarkable watch and what surprised me the most was its height. Yes I know all the complications that it has but it is still a rather thick watch. Another aspect of the 5016P that surprised me was its case diameter of "only" 37mm. I was expecting a larger watch in the 39mm range due to all the visible complications. Granted the 37mm choice for this Grand Complication may be further strength to the statement that Patek will not blindly follow the current trends of bigger is better (45mm+ watches)!
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Considering my next grand complication, need advice between 5959, 5950A, 5074P
Dear all fellow members, I am considering adding a grand complication pc to my collection. I currently have 5960P, 5070G/P, 5970P, 5004P. I am thinking between 5959, 5950A or 5074P. I know these are very hard to get and it may take me some time to locate ...
Without wanting to be too confrontational I will add my 2c
These are all high end and really expensive watches. I know that we think that most people who post here have some idea as to the PP range and brand but I still do not understand these posts where someone who is considering spending a lot of money and has...
I do not think so! I do apreciate the advice of the forum...
members! With advice from forum members i have bought an AP RB III and a Rolex 6264PN and my boyfriend has bought a 5070P and 5970P because of opinions on this forum! So i do value your fellows opinions! I this you should get the 5074P ; that , at least i...
I also agree with watch-guy and amanico...
..these are way too rare and expensive watches to decide by forum member opinions. but with that being said, just for the record. 5074P for me
Yeah ... too much money & too little taste
--- of your own. At least, that's my impression. I'm with Julian, Amanico and Cool. And I really don't understand. Cause the search and all the comparisons on the way is just soo much fun. Why ask other people what to buy? You did not get your wife in the...
I would go with the 5074p.......
Its one of the nicest watch's on the planet IMO and the one I would go with. As far as this post goes I think everone's being a little hard on BH90210. We see and gladly respond to posts all the time to watches of lesser value, why wouldn't these response...
Please guys, can't we be more helpful?
Hi, I understand the point, but honestly if I had the money I would have a hard time deciding between a 5950 and a 5974! Anybody has arguments? Cheers Dje
Ok Dje, you're right ... sorry BH90210, I was in a sly mood
After a bit of concentration I can imagine it is my money that I am going to spend and I have to choose between small, medium and big. - 5959 is too smal for a normally shaped man; - 5074P is too heavy and a tiny bit too big for comfortable wear; - this l...
Hi.....
are you a collector or a seller.... you seem to have several transactions on the CM.... if I am wrong my apologies.... please let us know thanks
Some thoughts
Your collection is heavy on chronographs and if you decided that this was the theme you wished to continue further, then the 5959 and 5950 are the logical choices. My preference would be for the 5959 but you should appreciate that this is a small watch - ...
In the end . . . .
It's whatever lights your fire that counts. Someone else's opinion may or may not be applicalbe to your case. In the end, it's your money, it's your wrist that will display the watch. That's why you need to be the ultimate judge. There are certain models ...
What's wrong with asking others their opinion?
I had a friend with 1,600 employees whom always asked opinions of others when it involved a great deal of money. Of course those other people were his CPA's and attorney's -- but then are attorneys still considered people ? Please ask to your heart's cont...
I don't recall saying
it was wrong to ask? I said ultimately it's your decision to make on which watch to buy.
5074 for me
its my favorite PP in the current collection. It sounds great. If this was my choice to make, I would arrange to view all three pieces. I know the Geneva boutique has almost all the pieces available to view and they treated me so well last time I was ther...
Thank you guys for all your inputs, 5959P out, 5106P added
Sorry was busy on a trip and didn't have chance to response. I think out of the three I listed, 5959 is eliminated due to small dial size. I didn't considered the 5951P because of the Red hands. Patek to me is a leader in grand complication watch maker, v...
Your post suggests that either ....
... you are a "grey"-dealer OR you are buying Patek watches for investment purposes only. Or is their a third option? I base this on the above post in which you state "Keep in mind the buyer who is after this kind of grand complication are the ones that a...
He's not very polite, is not he? And he should be because ....
.... he got a lot of valuable opinions. I'm curious ... what is our moderator going to do?
Nothing except answer!
Hi, I'm sorry but IMVHO the first words there were beyond the line in this thread were yours: patek.watchprosite.com That was because of your post that I answered first in this thread and your positively answered my answer. Now I don't understand ...
Take it easy guys and ladies
First, I like to say I am not responding to the thread fast enough because I am on a business trip with back to back meeting, afterall, I have a company to run before I have the resource for watch collecting hobby. My native language is not English, so if...
Clarification....
I have never sent you a PM, so it is misleading from your part to say that you "ignored" it.... I would appreciate if you refrain in the future from doing so....it is certainly not polite.... now my commend was very polite and I would invite you to re-rea...
So how did you ask if not by email?
Hi, Your question is not there online either. ( edit: sorry it is I just found it back ) You emailed me and I answered you that I don't know BH 90210. I also answered you that I had nothing to say about his post i.e. the fact that he asked such question t...
Further clarification....
I did not sent an e-mail to BH 90210..... I sent one to you, as a moderator....I would be happy to clarify by PM..... What I said to BH 90210 was in the open and very polite... please check my post... I have always been very polite to al the purists and p...
Sorry I just saw your first post
Hi, Here it was where you asked: patek.watchprosite.com / I had missed this one. Can I ask you why you think that BH 90210 would be a grey market seller? Thank you Cheers Dje
you missed one post
Dear Dje, You actually missed PinkPanther first post which is 2 post above the one you saw, at May 2nd 2010 at 12:12, clearly said "PM Sent", and in his PM was the same question like his 2nd post "Are you a grey dealer?". I do find this kind of pm, questi...
I wasn't going to post again....
But since you ask me too.... Let me be specific: A. I never sent a PM to the originator of this thread..... I only sent PM to people that I know or moderators..... if the originator of the post claims that (which he does) he is lying...... as a moderator ...
Interesting
Hi, You know more than I do. By the way please remain among us. i'd like to read BH 90210 or Lacs2's anwers. Cheers Dje
Why oh why do people have to play these games?
There is now reason to believe that there are persons in this thread who are also using multiple log in ID's. To all, I ask a question, and make a polite request - The question itself - the original post - was it shilling? Request - obviously if one perso...
I find it disturbing....
for someone to use multiple ids especially in the same thread..... PM sent..... should any other moderator wish so I can sent them also the same PM.... Cheers
Gentlemen, I'm curious. If the OP is a grey marketer, or someone buying strictly for
investment, or worst (in my mind) some one who is just trying to make a big joke out of this and pretend to be someone he is not (ie, a "legitimate potential buyer looking for other points of view to help him decide") may I ask one silly question? Why not...
No one here is giving away "trade secrets", just opinions. If you don't like the question-
then just don't reply.
um...
? Are you addressing me, or adding to what I was writing, or just starting a new topic? Cheers, TM
No sir, I have the upmost respect for you and I was attempting to ..
state to all posters on this thread that they are taking giving their opinions too seriously. No one is giving away the store. I have PM'ed BH90210 and his replies were very kind and honest.
:-) thank you for clarifying.
I don't like bad feelings or tension; that's not what this site is for. The fact is, there are people who want to abuse our forum or not follow our rules. And when found out, we should deal with them simply and quickly. But in the absence of unequivocal b...
TM I could not agree with you more
I've followed this thread from the very beginning, and never saw a reason to doubt the OP motives for buying any of these watches. I happen to agree with him 100 percent about the new split second perpetual having a very sporty look to it which is a bit o...
quite a thread...
this is quite a thread that has developed. what sticks out in my mind is the "security measure" that Patek has taken to ensure that only worthy collectors are able to purchase their grand complication watches and hopefully will not flip them soon after de...
As I gently sailed away on the beautiful tones ....
.... of Woody Shaw's "Seventh Avenue" (on his 1978 record Stepping Stones: Live at the Village Vanguard) I reflected on the pitfalls of internet communications. How easy it is to misunderstand each others intentions. How easy it is to insult one another u...
OK subject closed!
Hi, Nobody is allowed to post under two IDs, so the BH 90210 account is closed. I didn't feel any shilling so Lac2s is still allowed to post. Thank you for your understanding. Dje