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when i started...
interesting in watches (very long time ago, sadly) "internet" didn't even exist, we had the 14.400 baud modems and the "virtual community" was a sort of underground enclave in those were called "bbs".
Even less existed any sort of "watch enthusiast community" and the only info you could gather were those published in very modest magazines.
Poor infos, not precise at all, neither well documented. A lack of information you could only try to compensate with great efforts (and passion) and talking with great and expert collectors, watchmakers, and other people of the field.
Nowadays everything has changed and who want to learn something more about a watch (or any other thing) has just to handle a mouse or a finger of his hand and reach one of the many thematic fora existing on the web.
So, of course, we can discuss about everything we like...why not?...but we can't reduce everything to a matter of tastes or personal "feelings" if we want also give some sort of information to everybody reading with that purpose.
When I read a thematic forum to go in deep about something I'm interested to I expect to find informations and other details can help me in my decisions, which usually are not the tastes of other guys (i've already my own), so when I write on the same forum I try to give exactly that kind of informations I would expect reading 
Regards This message has been edited by ciaca on 2015-03-25 11:47:05
Loving the chalk white dial...
This is just another classic example of not much love at first sight but somehow the affection just grow stronger over time. I've even learned to look past the highly polished finish which is typically not of my preference! (Gotta admit it's a bit of a ha...
You feel harder...
Because there is a huge difference between the movements of the two watches. The Lemania 2320 housed in the ref. 5070 is one of the most beautiful manual chronographs with traditional "side action" (please excuse my terrible english technical vocabulary),...
Granted
I should not expect same finesse on the pushers between 5070 and 5960 but somehow I still expect 'lesser' difference between the two, maybe I'm just being overly optimistic. :-) Moreover, I also agree that as a sport watch on bracelet, some of the design ...
I would have expected the same...
In a watch with that price but i'm already aware it's really optimistic to expect in every occasion some sort of excellence from these companies and patek in particular :-) One of the first things i check when i buy a chronograph is the architecture of th...
i'm not so sure :-)
The world is plenty of watches better made, better performing and less costing :-) Roughly, as usual when you buy a so famous brand, you pay a lot more just for the brand itself and not what you "get". Regards
Well, if we start
comparing price across different models from different brands, these could easily lead into endless debate. It's difficult to quantify the brand value hence in my earlier post I was comparing prices among different Patek models, which I came to the conclu...
maybe...
But still remaining into the PP range with a look to the vintage or no more produced models you will find better value for money. If you compare the price of this 5960 with the current value of a good 3940j or 3970j, for instance Of course everything is r...
Ok now
you're comparing the list price of a brand new 5960 to the market price of a used 3940? Again, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. Nevertheless, you seem to of the opinion that modern Patek are no good value so perhaps we should simply leave it at that. ...
i don't know...
if is a "fair" comparison, what I know is there is much more "value" in a good never worn or well maintained 3970 than in a 5960 (if you like the smoothness of the pushers, as you stated before, just for instance). "Luxury" doesn't explain everything, as ...
Value for money is far from being the only choice criteria
Buying a good "value for money" watch is not synonymous of "exciting". The brand and many other subjective aspects may worth much more. Cheers, Mark
everyone has his own...
personal choice criteria, which are subjective and not debatable at all. Value for money is not the only one, bit is one of the few we can discuss. Otherwise we should limit ourselves to a declaration of what we like and what don't. Which, I guess, is far...
Of course,
discussing about quantifiable elements is something helpful to compare them and is part of the decision process. I agree with you and it is part of my reflexion too. But I was just emphasizing the fact judging a watch is not relying on facts only By the w...
when i started...
interesting in watches (very long time ago, sadly) "internet" didn't even exist, we had the 14.400 baud modems and the "virtual community" was a sort of underground enclave in those were called "bbs". Even less existed any sort of "watch enthusiast commun...
I will come back to that one, as I was quite silent since its introduction.
I had mixed feelings on that one, I must say...The polished case is one thing, the dial gave me some strong mixed feelings, and the bracelet is a total no go for me. I would have still preferred a polished / brushed case, or an all brushed case, the brace...
Actually
I wasn't attracted to 5960 on the PT/RG model w/ dark grey/blue/brown dial but this chalk white dial really captured my attention. It's funny how a simple change of colour scheme would change my view on a watch significantly.
I agree that there is something very cool, fresh and original with that dial.
But this Damn Bracelet is a big issue for me... Best, Jester. Nicolas
I actually asked about the possibility of
retrofitting a leather/alligator strap onto the watch when I bought it but the dealer told me that it's impossible. Haven't really looked into it yet but I'll let you know IF I found a way to get away with that 'shiny' bracelet. :-)
That is what surprises me the most; the fact that it is impossible.
Impossible to buy it without the bracelet, ok, but impossible to remove it and to put a leather strap on it??? Best, Nicolas
All these discussions sparked my curiosity
so I took a good look again! As you can see here, the push-in bar is not fitted to the actual 'end' piece but rather one link away. As such, I suspect that once you take out the bracelet, you'll still have the end link attached to the case. So one would h...
I haven't tried
as it doesn't look obvious how I can do it. The push-in bar will simply take the bracelet away from the second link on... More importantly, I don't have any strap to replace it with so no real motivation for me to take it apart! :-)
Not sure...
... the 2 little links touching the case remain. How would they be attached to the case? I think that when you take of the steam, the whole part goes away (together with the part touching the case) I'll be curious to know
The push pins...
Are connected to the last link before the end link, but the end link is of course linked to that and not to the case, and comes away with the remaining part of the bracelet. Regards
Gorgeous 5960A you got
Please share some experiences and impressions of the 5960A. Have read lots of reviews on it but no owner experiences. I have since the release been debating whether to add one to my humble collection but trying to figure out the following: - would the pol...
now THIS is interesting...
Do you mean a 5960/1A actually fitted w/ strap? (i.e. white dial 5960 on strap) Would love it if you can share a picture of it as my dealer told me it's impossible!!! Now to your questions: -The polished bracelet did bother me at first. It's just a bit to...
Thanks
Now you're really getting me excited. The lug width is 21mm so I can already think of a few straps for it..
21mm straps
what would you imagine putting on? I find 21mm a bit tricky to find, have ordered from Camille Fournet a few times in the past but always looking for new place to buy from. Here is my gray croc strap on 5960P: ...
I looks really nice that way
Imagine a dark grey or even a creme strap for summer... THanks for the pics Keks :)
I would love to see it on a strap that can be get wet
The only place I have ordered straps from is Camille Fournet and as far as I know they do not make custom synthetic straps. Not aware of other manufacturers who make 21/16mm synthetics that would fit
Can you try to get information on Shark material for instance
maybe this kind of material can resist to water? Otherwise, aside for Camille F, there is: - Atelier Jean Rousseau, 9 rue Duphot 75001 Paris - 01 47 03 05 32 - or ABP (more expensive) 28 place du marché st-honoré 75001 paris 01 42 86 13 70 Maybe they have...
thanks Jester
Just posted some pics on the leather strap for you. What is unclear to me however is how it looks like on the case at 6 and 12 oclock as it is not polished due to the fact it is supposed to be hidden behind the endlinks. Perhaps from distance it will be a...
its a technical masterpiece
the longer i look at your watch the better it grows on you. you get to like it even if its only steel. & its got useful complication. congrats and thanks for posting. best Geross
A very nice dial which was hard to create imho
We all have our own tastes and I'm personally not attracted by sunburst dials for instance (as on 5960). The black dial however should be something very nice (never seen in the metal). But I could see several times this model and I like this dial very muc...
Thanks...
It does look like fitting a leather/alligator strap onto the watch is possible so I'm toying w/ different options now. Moreover, an brushed/polished interlaced bracelet would have been VERY interesting. Maybe that's another option I can toy with! :-)
Aesthetically...
....when i first saw it, i didn't like it. I thought it was too "fashionable". I went to a dinner where the watch was being passed around....and to be fair, I know exactly what you mean. In the flesh, it has something. Now, I am not making any more of an ...
Tx...
Will surely share more pictures as I progress toward a 'better' strap/bracelet option...
You are in good company ...
... and maybe you can guess the wrist :-) Cheers, Oliver ...
the chalk white dial
is without question the nicest and my favorite out of all the 5960s.
