Piaget

 

 

I know nothing about Piaget, and definitely not those 40 or 50 year old pieces

 

Is this genuine ?

 

 

movement looks poor but I dodn't know how a 50 year old Piaget should look like

 

 

 

 

And what is it worth ? I know we don't like to discuss prices here but I have no idea so any help would be usefull

Don't need to know an exact price but an indication is wha tI need.  Euro 1 K or Euro 3 K

 

Thanks for helping

 

This message has been edited by Bruno.M1 on 2013-03-17 06:45:35 This message has been edited by MTF on 2013-03-19 21:03:33

As the AS1130 was used by Piaget.

Fx


This message has been edited by foversta on 2013-03-17 07:16:45

FrX,

The Piaget boffins are searching their archives so we don't know the answer yet.

In my research, I found some history of JLC (Jaeger leCoultre) that surprised me.

JLC, a so-called "true manufacture", used A.Schild movements for a short time in 1970s.

Such as the Diving watches from the same era, and used outsourced movements for their chronographs, too.

But the vast majority of their watches ( My guess estimate is that we are around 90 % ) used in house movements.

There are not a lot brands which can say the same... Nothing which can lead us to say that JLC is not a true manufacture, IMO.

Best,

Nicolas

 

I completely agree than JLC has nothing to prove as what we call a "true manufacture".

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house, no doubt about that. However interestingly the very first Reversos had an out-sourced mouvement made by Tavannes Watch Co. Tavannes was a company started by Henri-Frederic Sandoz at Tavannes, a very small village in the Jura mountains. I personally find it very interesting to read that watch enthusiasts need often to remind other watch enthusiasts that such or such watch company had their mouvements out-sourced, generally these same "watch enthusiasts" refer to every and each brands without ever mentioning PP. strange indeed.
Cheers. The Pope.......as there is another Francois signing!

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So far, new generation of personnel have no knowledge of Piaget ever using that movement.

They are asking the old-timers back in the hills to confirm the ancient history.

 

You must be patient, young padawan.......

 

Regards,

MTF

 

Bruno,

 

Its the weekend so we won't know for sure.

Wait until next week when people are at work.

 

Regards,

MTF

I'm almost sure the case is not gold but gold plated, this and a lousy movement ... :-(

I thought they were always high end.

I googled quite a bit and saw similar movements so I guess it is real but I'm surprised by the lack of quality

Dear Bruno . My watch is genuine Piaget 20P cal .18kt solid gold. Thanks for your comments.Regards

Piaget 20P caliber is an automatic winding movement.

 

Regards,

MTF

NO YOU ARE WRONG!!! well half wrong. if you didn't notice the movement on the left is the back side of the 20P. the movement on the right is the backside of the 25P. the 25p is just a 20p with a .8mm rotor on the back, easiest way to prove my point is you can see on the right movement on the center bottom hidden under the rotor you can see the exact same 24kt barrel the 20p on the left has at 6 o'clock. you need to put up a picture of the front of these two movements, these are the only movements in history where literally every moving part is a "hanging" part.

20p hand wound    1.2mm (Jean Lassale 1200) also used as Vacheron Constantine 1160
25p automatic        2.0mm (Jean Lassale 2000)



25p split to 20p+rotor




front of 20p and 25p as you can tell because it has an hour wheel in the center

Bruno.M1 et al,

I have a hypothesis but am waiting for Piaget to confirm certain things.

Although Piaget has been making movements for other brands since 1874, they only started using their name on the dial as a Piaget branded complete watch circa.1942.

At the start of Piaget branding, they had access to movements that they were OEM suppliers for other brands. In the early years, speciality shaped movements with other stamped names were found in Piaget-cased watches. Piaget used Peseux cal 320 movements in the 1940s before they launched their own ultra-thin movements that started them on the path to world records until today..9P, 12P, 430P, 600P, 830P, 1200P and their variants.

The key point is that even from 1940s, Piaget marked movements with English words like "17 Jewels" and the "Adjustment positions" and not in French like "17 rubis".

Piaget did not just buy base movements and slap them into their watches. Some adjustments and decoration were added. Even the near-ubiquitous ETA 900 got the Piaget treatment.

The ETA 900 was used by everybody and easily sourced. Here is Piaget's version used in 1950.  

The real Piaget movement does NOT look like the version in your posting. Maybe it was a "customised" ETA 900? 

 

Regards,

MTF