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585 is the gold content, it means 14 Karat gold.
Rolex Cellini - Identification help
Hi All,
This was my late grandfathers Rolex Cellini. Have the matching pair in the female version too (manually wound it and it works).
It’s been sitting in a draw for 20 years, the crown has fallen out and it looks like it has seen better days. Will definitely need to replace the crown.
Can anyone help identify what Cellini it is or the ref? Looks like a 4084 but I have no papers.
On the back it has the Rolex logo and then “2832329” along the bottom of the case.
The watch has probably never been serviced. Do you think it’s possible to repair a vintage watch like this, service it and get it looking good? Would need a polish too? From what I can tell, the market value isn’t huge for a watch like this. It does have sentimental value but if it would cost more than the watch to fix, I don’t know if I would.
Would a watch in this condition need to go back to Geneva or could a Rolex Service Centre fix this locally?
Interesting to note, that I took it to an official Rolex seller today and they said the band looks aftermarket. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I have a Patek from the same year and the band is identical, and I know that band is proper.
It does say “Zurich Watch Co. H.K.” on the clasp…I actually called them but they couldn’t help. Was it normal in those days for the official seller to stamp their name? They are still an official retailer. The female watch has this too.
Finally, any idea what the 585 or 669 means?
Thanks so much!!!
Beauty!
I own similar but mine with blue dial, black leather strap.
I have not worn it since the last service from Rolex centre. Took them 10 months to complete the service.
Please pay EXTRA attention when you wash your hands. Water dribbling down your hands can and will sip through the non waterproof casing and the movement will get rusty! Happen to me twice and that’s the reason why I do not use it anymore.
Yours with that gold bracelet is an heirloom piece imho. Services it and do all the next repairs and wear it carefully as a dress watch.
Thanks for the insights!
Wow 10 months for the service? If it is a simple mechanism as per the below comment, what took so long if that’s not a silly (or rude?!) question? Was it expensive? My concern is getting a huge estimate. Was it a once in a blue moon service or have you regularly serviced it?
Ahh yes the water - have a similar issue as also own a Patek in a similar manner. I usually end up taking the watch on and off lol.
Will likely fix it up and keep in the family
Ahh yes the water - have a similar issue as also own a Patek in a similar manner. I usually end up taking the watch on and off lol.
Will likely fix it up and keep in the family
Little cute watch
4084 is the model, or reference number.
Zurich Watch Co. H.K is the Rolex authorized dealer in Hong Kong. The bracelet and buckle is made by them (or for them). At the time, due to taxation in various regions, Rolex used bracelet of local manufacturers. 669 is probably the manufacturer. reference of the clasp.
You can call it aftermarket, but kind of legal . It's like old times when official dealers were allowed to change bezel or dial to customized (applied) diamond versions as it was cheaper.
. It's like old times when official dealers were allowed to change bezel or dial to customized (applied) diamond versions as it was cheaper. 2832329 is the watch serial (ID) number.
Its a simple wacth and movement and any decent watchmaker can service it.
Hope this helps
Amazing insights!
Thank you so much for this, would have been impossible to find!!!
Are you sure it’s a 4084 or was that based of my thoughts?
So interesting regarding the bracelet. So would that make it genuine then? Not sure of the best term to use but surely Rolex would have only used groups that could do a good job? I wonder if there are other examples. I know with the Patek I have (similar vintage, 18k gold) that some beared the name of the seller on the dial. Apparently that was something that happened at the time?
My local Rolex dealer said it would be costly to fix, and might need to go to Geneva. Getting a second opinion in a few days from a ex Rolex service head so we’ll see if he can fix it up locally.
That was a big help. Thanks!!!
Are you sure it’s a 4084 or was that based of my thoughts?
So interesting regarding the bracelet. So would that make it genuine then? Not sure of the best term to use but surely Rolex would have only used groups that could do a good job? I wonder if there are other examples. I know with the Patek I have (similar vintage, 18k gold) that some beared the name of the seller on the dial. Apparently that was something that happened at the time?
My local Rolex dealer said it would be costly to fix, and might need to go to Geneva. Getting a second opinion in a few days from a ex Rolex service head so we’ll see if he can fix it up locally.
That was a big help. Thanks!!!
UPDATE
So where I live, the ex head of the local Rolex service center now works at another watch/antique business. I dropped the watch off and they gave me a quote of $830 USD for the service, polish and repair of the crown (new OEM direct from Rolex). I’m very happy with this! Good news is that the mechanism works well, keeps time, just dry, so the oil will help. They will try and clean it up as well as they can. I’ll post pics upon return. Will be a few weeks