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Help for Omega jumbo

 
 By: tdn.dk : October 17th, 2013-13:27

Hi!

I have the possibility for buying this 38mm. cal. 265 from the late 1940's, ref. unknown by seller.  

I am unsecure for the originality of the dial, sellers claims it is not renovated/repainted but 100% original.

I can't find any Omega Jumbo that looks like this one, except for one in the big Omega book page 138, ref. CK 2186, but it has a 30 T2 and is from the early 1940's.

I would like to hear your opinion.

Best Thomas

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With the usual proviso that I'm no expert . . .

 
 By: Dr No : October 17th, 2013-15:01
. . . I can't find a single element of the dial that's out of place, Thomas.  The condition is mind-boggling, granted.  If the asking price were reasonable, I'd be happy to own the watch even if the dial later proved to be refinished - it's that good to my eyes.

Let's wait for the experts to weigh in. 

Art 

Thanks

 
 By: tdn.dk : October 18th, 2013-00:59

I feel the same way, it is to good to be true, but i cant find any faults on the dial.

My other concern is the case and caliber. The only case i can find that looks similar has a 30 T2 caliber and holes on the lugs. BUT if this ref. has continued from the start of the 1940's until the end of the 1940's the natural evolution would be that the 30 T2 was replaced with a cal. 265 and the use of these holes stops.

 

Best Thomas

 

 

If you can look inside...

 
 By: SteveW : October 18th, 2013-03:09
... the case back should give you the reference number and the movement should also have a number.  With these and some time on the Omega web site, or just in Google, you might learn some more.  There is always the possibility that the movement was exchanged from a newer watch with a basket case.  My experience of some manufacturers (not specifically Omega, but for example IWC and Zenith) is that they were not averse to making up batches of watches from cases and movements which were held in storage and weren't necessarily produced at the same time.

To me the dial looks suspiciously good, but anyway I am always suspicious of vintage black-dialled watches which aren't military or diver's watches.  While they did exist, obviously, I don't believe they were as common as modern redialers would have us believe.  Post-WW II not all former participants were interested in the military styles for one reason or another.

While I enjoy being a Purist, I'm not a total purist and a nice watch like that, at a decent modern size, with genuine Omega case and movement would be welcome on my wrist at the right price.


Looks original to me

 
 By: MSNWatch : October 18th, 2013-03:40
Have seen dials like these used in the same case style featuring the first batch 30mm manual wind movements.  If that is the case, buy the watch immediately - these are rare specimens.

questions

 
 By: Ancienne Le Brassus : October 18th, 2013-04:36
Very nice watch!
 here are some questions:
1) where is the seller from? Are they from Poland or Ukraine? if so, then you're looking at a 90% chance that it is a pocket watch recase job.
However, these sellers are usually quite capable jewelers, so I've seen some top notch work coming out of these countries (so no disrespect intended!).
I have in the past also used their services to recase watches in their own custom made solid gold cases, so, not necessarily a bad thing, they're just working in Poland.Ukraine instead of switzerland wink
2) If it is from these countries, then there is 99% the dial is refinished, as these jewelers have the dial refinishing equipment in their workshops...

3) the case looks very clean, what is the material? Chromed steel, Nickel, Silver, or stainless steel? If it is in Stainless and has all the correct marks on the inside caseback then it is probably original. 

4) don't pull the trigger on this one until the seller discloses all the info, if they don't then they're usually hiding something!

Let us know what you find out,
S



Thanks..

 
 By: tdn.dk : October 18th, 2013-07:42

Seller can not open the Watch.

The watch is located in Sweeden.

This is ref. 2186 from the big Omega book. I think it looks like this case and hands is identical, but 2186 has a cal. 30 T2

 

Best Thomas

 

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And the watch have been sold now, not to me.

 
 By: tdn.dk : October 18th, 2013-12:50
Best Thomas

ugh!

 
 By: Ancienne Le Brassus : October 18th, 2013-13:39
hmm... I'm sorry to hear this...
 Don't worry, although it probably stings now, there's always another great watch that comes up around the corner!
S

Oh, no . . .

 
 By: Dr No : October 18th, 2013-14:04
. . . it couldn't have gone that quickly!

Sorry to hear, Thomas.  Original black dials in excellent condition are hard to find.  This one would've been worth taking a chance on.

Art

soory you missed it Thomas

 
 By: Bill Sohne : October 20th, 2013-17:20
Hi Thomas

If you did not feel right about the watch, it is best to pass on it .   Please dont take it hard with the others comments about " you should have bought it'   The others might have more knowledge and can mitigate the risk better.  Its always about your comfort zone and a quick decision. 

You will find something in the future , I will not tell you " you will find another one soon"  but you will find something different but also interesting.... 

Good Hunting

Bill Sohne

Ps on the watch itself,  the dial looks good to me. 

whatever it was, you should have bought it up to $ 700.

 
 By: watch.out1 : October 18th, 2013-17:46
outings on fora often do not help your cause......kind regards. achim

Beautiful

 
 By: Le Monde Edmond : October 29th, 2013-10:53
What a gorgeous watch! My love for Omega is primarily related to the pre-moon
series speedmaster 2998 (all series) but this watch is very very nice!
I hope experts can give you their opinion on this...

Best Edmond