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 By: Timertom : December 19th, 2013-11:11
I completely agree with Stijn,
The lume coming out isn't something that would have bothered me too much. I'd be prepared to accept that as wear.
There's however no justifying at all for leaving smudges and any other muck inside a high end watch, then packing it up and sending it back to the client without even bothering to check to see you did a good job. 
Thoroughly unacceptable, and I'd have likewise felt let down, and lost respect for the brand. There's no mistake in mucking up the inside of a watch and not cleaning the crystal thoroughly for a client. That's a downright shoddy job, done without proper training/ tools of the trade/ care. This would all be acceptable for a digital watch costing a couple of 100$, not a high end watch. 
Rishad

Agree ....

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : December 20th, 2013-00:03
LW has to be blamed for the flawed service quality, there is no excuse for leaving fingerprints and dust inside a client's watch in the first place, and not finding these flaws and remove them before shipping back the watch in the second. So far I fully agree with you. But Stijn apparently complained about LW not going further than correcting the problem quickly, without additional cost, and apologizing. Maybe he had hoped that LW would reduce the original service bill out of bad conscience. this is where I do not agree. Mistakes happen, but I measure the quality of a manufacturer's service by looking how he deals with the mistakes.

Marcus

Yes!

 
 By: Timertom : December 21st, 2013-07:37
I see your point Marcus,
You're right. I still do have a lot of sympathy for the owner, having experienced how 'traumatic' it is to find that kind of shabby work on a precious personal belonging. Most good restorers take fine care and work with equal passion to match every collectors. One wishes all worked to the same standard.
Best,
Rishad  

Well...

 
 By: stijn_b : December 21st, 2013-08:34
Marcus,

I do agree that mistakes happen but I find it hard to accept these kind of mistakes at such a high level of luxury goods. The high quality standard is a thing why we choose to pay top dollar for isn't it? LW being such a small manufacturer I would have hoped they would inspect the watch at the fullest.

As for compensation, maybe I did express it in a wrong way, I feel they could have offered me a small gesture for the whole bad experience I have encountered. Be it a small box, be it a strap or a buckle. It's not a huge cost for them but it would at least change a bit my view on their whole customer care. I didn't need a refund or so but a nice gesture would have been a small step for them but a big appreciation from me.

I might be overreacting for some of you but I'm a perfectionist at heart. Or maybe I'm just too young and unexperienced at my age. smile

After this service I had to think a lot about what LW always says; that it's all in the details. Well, to me it was far away from that.

By now I'm looking out to my next AP and I have already left this issue behind me. I just felt I needed to post this. In a way this should help companies to pay attention to the details. Their main market are luxury goods they have to accept we expect a high quality treatment as well imo.

I know how it feels like

 
 By: Cookies : December 19th, 2013-14:36
Similar thing happened to me when one of my watches dive bezel dropped off. I sent an email to feedback and no reply came back. Then, I sent it to the AD and it took a while before it came back. All was well it appeared until I went diving, and the bezel came off again. I got tired of it, and just got superglue to glue the darn ceramic bezel back.

The manufacture in question was JLC.

I heard similar freak stories as well, such as crowns falling out, bezels glued on, bi-material watches being glued together etc.

My 2 cents? Always choose a solid material and understand physics. I will never buy another ceramic-metal piece anymore because chances are some parts are glued together. I even suspect the cerachrome bezel on rolex and liquid metal  bezel are also glued.




Non-transferable warranty is one issue - and full service for missing lume?

 
 By: Zhege : December 20th, 2013-05:07
To me, the non-transferable warranty is another big issue that LW and too many other companies are adopting.  There is really no excuse for this - it is the object that should be under warranty, and not the owner.  The explanation for this has been along the lines of "if we don't know how many people have owned the watch, how can we know it is been handled properly".   Apparently if only one person owns a watch during the warranty period, that means it will be handled with care.  Even if they are jackhammer operator, I guess. 

When buying a watch from another collector or reseller, I always check to see if the warranty is transferable. If it isn't, I make sure that if there is a problem that the named owner on the warranty card will handle warranty issues.  I would do the same for a fellow collector if I were to sell a watch under non-transferable warranty.

Second issue - how is it that L-W decided the watch needed a full service to replace some missing lume from the OUTSIDE of the watch?  Maybe they can only replace the lume from the underside of the dial using magical tools that only their highly trained watchmakers possesssmile

Was there any problem with how the watch was operating?  If they don't have to open the case, they could take care of the problem by painting / inserting the lume or even replacing the bezel.  Without knowing what else was going on, it sounds very strange that they insisted on a full servicing. 

These two things alone would sour me on a brand.  The fingerprints / dust issue was poor outgoing QA/QC, but they did fix it promptly.  They should have included some small token of appreciation.  For example - several years back I had a small problem on a brand new Chopard watch - a Mille Miglia chronograph, not one of their high end products.  They fixed it very quickly (it required opening the case), and sent the watch back with an additional croc strap!  That Christmas season, their service department sent me a small box of (delicious) chocolates.  Getting the watch fixed quickly was the most important thing - but the additional gestures created a lot of good will, and which I shared with many of my "watch-friends".

Finally, not using a new box indicates some strange practices at their repair facility.  For one, It means that they have to store and track incoming cardboard boxes.  Waste of time and effort.  Also, it makes for a poor presentation on return to the customer. It just looks bad and creates a poor impression.


I don't understand it...

 
 By: andrewluff : December 20th, 2013-10:41

and never have... why would a watch guarantee not be transferrable?  The company is guaranteeing the watch and not the owner, if you have the warranty card then it should be enough proof that the warranty is within date of when you purchased it (if stamped and dated by the AD).   The warranties generally only cover something going wrong with the watch (ie not owner abuse!) for a period of 2 years, so what difference does it make whose wrist it is on as long as they have looked after it and it is a fault at production.

I have heard of other companies taking this same stance and am lucky it has not happened to me yet.   When you buy a second hand car, the new owner gets the remaining portion of the original warranty and the same with work in your house covered by guarantees... all a little odd that a watch brand would not stand by a guarantee that their product is of a standard to not have problems for the first few years. 

I just hope they reimbursed you for the extra shipping when sending it back... (and agree a box of chocs or strap would have been a nice touch too)

Cheers
Andrew



Jus thinking

 
 By: MrTime : December 21st, 2013-04:50
Could it be this after sale service is totally outsource.

Frankly it's not surprising and I know more and more companies especially the smaller who focus only on design, sales and marketing and outsource the rest to others.,.

That's always the diff btw the large manufacturer and the smaller ones.

I hv also gotten a brand new watch fr a prominent independent watch maker years ago, first with crown coming off within weeks (was immediately replaced w a new watch within weeks) and later on, of the gear w spots....the part was also replaced as well . But after years of experience and knowledge of how things work , I have reason to believe the watch was actually assembled somewhere else and not at the watch maker's atelier...as I know he's known to be very precise and careful with all areas. So the issue lies with after the assemble, the QC was not done properly.

So similarly, this after sales could also be outsource and the issue is LW may not be doing QC in all the products fr after sales service.  

PS: jus my opinion on one of the possibility on why this can happen, as after sales actually involve as much time and resources as assembling ... And for a small maker to set that up certainly involve lots of resources.

The full service was my request

 
 By: stijn_b : December 21st, 2013-08:38
I requested a full service since they advise it after 2 years. The previous owner also told me it was in his watchbox for quite a long while so I thought it wasn't bad giving it a complete service.

I replied to rishad771 his reply concerning the "compensation". I might have expressed it in a wrong way but what you guys replied is exactly what I meant.

Profit Margins Wide on Watches, Narrow on Service

 
 By: Whirling : December 21st, 2013-10:43
We hear so many stories about apparently-poor service from very high-end brands.  I suspect that this is because the profit margin on having those skilled watchmakers making new pieces is so much wider than the profit margin on those watchmakers servicing pieces.  Of course, the brands should properly consider all servicing, whether under warranty or for a fee, to be a part of the "cost of doing business," which is, of course, the selling of new watches.

I also wonder how many high-end watches are sold to people who only buy one or two of them, so that encouraging repeat business through superlative service isn't cost-effective.  Most the people on here are serial offenders when it comes to buying watches, but are we actually a substantial portion of the market?

As multiple people, including the original poster, said above, I think a gesture would have been called for in this matter.  At the very least, covering the costs of reshipping the watch to them, but also some little gift or a credit toward the next service.  This is what would happen in service industries that rely hugely on repeat business, such as hospitality or car repair.

Regards,
Jon

Mistakes happen and it's part of everyday life

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : December 22nd, 2013-11:49

What makes a person / company stronger is how he/it deals with mistakes and what he/it does from there on.  LW made a mistake but rectified it quickly.

I'm disappointed to hear they didn't give you a "gift" for the mistake, such as a LW baseball cap or any other LW promotional good, but if they didn't have any to give to you, I would have extended you a complimentary longer warranty period.  So if the standard warranty period for your service is 2 years, I would have give you 3 years as a sign of appreciation.  That's what I would have done.

In any case, getting a "gift" would have been nice as a sign of customer service, but it shouldn't be demanded IMO.

Cheers,
Anthony