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Horological Meandering

Longines has a huge historical library to raid...expect more faux vintage

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:05
along with some other brands as well

best,

Horo

No thanks Horo. No more faux vintage. Excellent expression btw.

 
 By: ztirual : October 31st, 2012-14:32
Or at least let it be the way  A. Lange or Montblanc do it...
Best. Z

Mining the past

 
 By: ingmar : October 29th, 2012-21:50
I think this is still a very profitable exercise for these companies. I know I don't mind. But I do appreciate twists. 

Their growing markets in Asia will mean decent sizes and more than a little pandering. 

I would like to see more annual calendars. Omega's is great, but too big, Zenith's is ruined by the day. 

And maybe Richard and Maria can work on an affordable repeater for me. 





Habring repeater? great minds think....

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:11




mine has a semi-open dial...you can see how thrilled I am every time it chimes...smile-

best,

Horo

We are going to see...

 
 By: mark_third : October 30th, 2012-01:48
100% in-house manufacture caliber everywhere! It has already started but it this will get stronger in 2013-2014.

The downside for all of us if that those caliber will not benefits for the years of testing an ETA and we will have a lot more watches returning to after sales services...

new movements with short development timeframe is a grave concern

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:15
and the use of exotic movement material is a further worry. but I am confident, esp if its a Richemont or LVMH group firm, that it will be well researched and developed, if not tested. 

it is inevitable...the customers want in house movement, and pay premium for it. Swatch group reduces supplies to everyone, and restrict their modification potentials. what's to do for these brands?

best,

Horo

I totally agree with you

 
 By: mark_third : October 30th, 2012-14:48
but don't you think that some entry level brands deserve some love too?

I really think that the watch industry is going to change a lot in a few years. No more ETA means less new  entry-level priced brands (<10K USD/CHF/whatever) which can be a good thing but it also means that it will cost a lot more money to enter the market (from an investment point of view) and that means for me that creative and independent minds will be stopped.


you are forgetting the rise of Soprod et al

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:57
and also with time, movements development associated costs would have been amortized over a period of time, and costs should come off somewhat, applicable for the relatively "mass produced" brands/movements, e.g. Hublot Unico

best,

Horo

Thanks a lot for your input

 
 By: mark_third : October 30th, 2012-15:16
this subject is very interesting as we are close to live a new era of the watch industry.

Thanks,

Mark

I'm warming up already...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 30th, 2012-02:55
Hi Horo,

This is what I was beguinning to think about some days ago while I was looking at the "Basel/SiHH 12" tab and wondered when it was going to be modified into "13", which will be the first palpable sign of pleasures to come.

I join Mark just above about the in-house new movement trend ... and I'll add the rise in pricing that will come with it.

I also think that the gap between big size watches (dedicated to specific markets/customers) will continue to distance itself from the launch of more reasonnable sizes (what some brands are already been starting to bring again).

But what I regret (I'll create a dedicated post on that subject) is the lack of real innovations. this sadly won't change.

So what I'm finally waiting to see is new shapes, new interpretations of actual collections, maybe (rarely) a new model, to fall in love with from my favorite brands.

Cheers,

Mark

i am betting on three key trends

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:19
1) material science - new materials and applications for alloys, both in movements and cases.

2) faux vintage - either raiding the historical archive or creating the vintage look....i am writing anther thread on this.

3) like what you and Mark has raised...in house movements, and modular constructions, permitting added on complications 

best,

Horo

I'll add to your points ...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : October 30th, 2012-15:24
1. material science: yes but I think they'll keep it light because it would take the place of traditional materials as gold, maillechort etc ... These older materials are a part of what makes the history of the brands and thus they should add a little more silicon etc but not that much in the end.

2. faux vintage - either raiding the historical archive or creating the vintage look....i am writing anther thread on this: yes, the easy way to provide new models. A bit like in musik: I hear more and more novelties/hits on the radio .... that are in fact new versions of 60's to 80's old hits. When the right melody is there, the harder part of the creating process is secured ...

Cheers,

Mark

I'm wih the rest on in-house

 
 By: Nicko16 : October 30th, 2012-07:58
Would be good to see innovation across the board.  Price rise would follow in that case.

Would like to see Panerai do something new maybe a different design not based on historical watches.

Panarei can further develop their Submersible range, i feel

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:25
and I m betting on a in house rattrapante....perhaps a mutation of the P2004 smile-

best,

Horo

While I think that all the brands know what they will introduce, I have no damn idea.

 
 By: amanico : October 30th, 2012-08:10

The only thing I know is that JLC will have an ambitious 2013 collection, as it is their 180th Anniversary, next year.

My guess is that they will cover all the budgets, from the " affordable " to the high end.

In these uncertain times, Prudence is a major virtue, which will lead the brands to work on their fundamentals.

But Prudence is boring, and I would not be surprised to see some small touches of madness, too.

Aaah, I would also keep an eye on GP... I don't know why, but I would. smile

Best,

Nicolas

 

i will take your word for it!! if its JLC, you are my source!! :)

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:28
another Duometre variant, and Reverso complication is what i think, or more like hope.

best,

Horo

There will be other Duometres... I bet on that.

 
 By: amanico : October 30th, 2012-14:29

And I never loose a gamble.

Best,

Nicolas

JLC, Zenith and GP are my bets ...

 
 By: nilomis : October 30th, 2012-08:23
Those 3 companies will show something meaningful, I'm betting.

Other brands? Longines?

My crystal ball is melting with our balmy "spring" (36C/96F).

Cheers,

Nilo

zenith revival

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:02
its beginning to feel like a Zenith revival, and from the few hints given...seems very try exciting times for them.

as for Richemont brands...I am betting on Cartier continued horological ascent and half an eye on my fav Lange. 

best,

Horo

I would like to see a Lange minute repeater

 
 By: donizetti : October 30th, 2012-14:22
not that I could likely afford it but that is a strange gap in my favorite brand at the show.

Best
Andreas

yes...its in the works, surely :)

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:30
the ZW Striking Time is a "learning" curve for them?

best,

Horo

hopefully

 
 By: donizetti : October 30th, 2012-14:34
if they want to skip the repeater and go to a sonnerie directly fine with me!

Best
Andreas

NOOOOOOOO....i need something that i can potentially afford at age 60, not 80!!

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 30th, 2012-14:37
best,

Horo