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Wow! If I said it is a moronic comment.......

 
 By: JMan : January 4th, 2012-15:00

It would have the same effect. But not knowing you, I would never say a thing like that.
J.

Well, as you know, gavla...

 
 By: pplater : January 4th, 2012-21:14


Well, as you know, gavla...

..."WOW WOW" is perfectly acceptable if that is how you choose to express your appreciation for a particular watch; perhaps a Blancpain (http://Home.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-17/pi-5026473/ti-758563/s--3/) or perhaps a Sarpaneva (http://Home.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-17/pi-5000388/ti-754743/s--16/) ???

Certainly, speaking on a personal level, there are many watches here (both exotic and less exotic) that prompt that immediate reaction, as they do for you. Thinking about it, Aditya's watch draws that kind of admiration: not necessarily so much for the aesthetics - 'squellette'  is not to everyone's liking - but certainly for the developing talent which he is enthusiastically refining and testing amongst other enthusiasts. 

Equally, there are watches which deserve universal criticism, and watches which, here, elicit often detailed - but generally constructive - criticism or appraisal from individual posters. Personal experience suggests that such comments are welcome, and encouraged, by the moderators here. 

As written earlier, however, that criticism will only be constructive if given a context - however subjective the context may be. In that sense, it was valuable to gain even the small insight offered by your comment about the UN machine finished squellette movements. It suggests that you are not averse to squellette movements as such, but that you probably prefer to see skeletonising afforded to less common movements, and perhaps showing skillful hand engraving or 'file work', of the kind which one would find in a high end VC, or a movement reworked by Englebarts or Benzinger. 

Equally, the multiple languages and cultural habits which populate this site dictate a degree of moderation when offering not only criticism, but also, for that matter, humour, thanks or irony. We Australians, for example, are noted for being indelicate and forthright - as may also be the case in Jura. Our English cousins are a good deal more polite, our American cousins are sincere, our Japanese cousins are diplomatic and our French cousins are wicked. Each tries to find a common ground here on the forum to be able to share views, both complimentary and critical. Without a context, however, and a degree of moderation, such views (however honestly held) are at risk of being dismissed as contrary (hopefully that word translates neutrally?) and that would be a loss for all of us. 

So, no; there is no need to re-name the site 'noncriticspurists' - happily, though, consider it 'faircommentpurists' or 'constructivecriticismpurists'. Speaking personally, any of your posts of that kind will be gratefully received and gladly read. 

Cheers,
pplater. 

Your answer gave me a lot of ppleasure, pplater. ;)

 
 By: amanico : January 6th, 2012-13:16

Perfectly written, and how true.

Admirative,

Nicolas, the wicked French.

wink

Merci, mon ami méchant!...

 
 By: pplater : January 6th, 2012-21:41
You don't miss much, do you, Nicolas?
;-)


Cheers,
pplater.

Mwell... I read you a lot. ;)

 
 By: amanico : January 6th, 2012-21:43

Please don't feed the trolls (nt)

 
 By: Gary G : January 7th, 2012-20:44
nt

Well first of all there seems to be a lot of progress on the level of quality.

 
 By: grigo : January 3rd, 2012-21:36

A much cleaner design and the level of workman ship seems to have improved. All the parts seem to be much better finished, polished. The first watch seemed a little to be an assemblage of used parts, whereas this watch seems like new.

A very nice result even if to be honest I am not fond of skeleton watches.

Keep up the good work.

Best regards,

George

love the way you put it

 
 By: aldossari_faisal : January 3rd, 2012-23:15
for the first one as   "assemblage "... i share the same point of view on the second watch.

Faisal

Thanks for the kind words :-)

 
 By: aditya : January 4th, 2012-04:16
The 'assemblage' nature of the first watch is due in some part to the patchy rhodium plating. In fact it has taken me the better part of two years to identify a good local source for gold plating (he does not do rhodium). Also, I have not the courage to send the parts out of the country. This is why I have stuck to gold plating only. I must say I am very pleased with the plating on this one. It is just perfect. My shoddy pictures just do not do it justice smile

Kind regards

Aditya

very nice

 
 By: donizetti : January 4th, 2012-07:35

I am generally not that into skeletion watches but this one came out very well ... like the steampunk appeal of the gold movement juxtaposed with the blued screws. Keep it up!

Best

Andreas

well done

 
 By: ChristianDK : January 4th, 2012-11:14
it looks good, I think. I think... and improvement from the first one, both on the shape of the blued hands and dots. Also the more homogenious gold plating is an improvement. not bad at all! I think its impressive that you have taught your self to make watches and to take on such a project. 

Execution is fine, focus more on design

 
 By: davidcast77 : January 4th, 2012-13:49
I agree will most of the above examples, two-tone  would be nice as well as the blued screws.  I have no skill in building watches, but since this site is about opinions I'll give what I have. Personally, I would like to see a more pleasing aesthetic with regards to the layout of the skeletonization. The open hole above the balance wheel seems to large and the hands, while very legible (important in a skeleton) seem heavy and rudimentary.

Overall I think it is a solid watch.  But if you are going to cut up a movement into anything you want...make it memorable, not just minimal.  More curves, sweeping bridges, perlage, contrast.  Something to discover the second, third, or fourth time you look at it.

Easy to criticize...much more difficult to submit your work for all to see.  Keep up the passion.


Thanks for the comments! [nt]

 
 By: aditya : January 5th, 2012-22:51
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Great effort!

 
 By: JMan : January 4th, 2012-15:05

Perhaps a bit less skeletonization would work better. But substantially better finishing on this one. Did you make the case too? I like what I can see. Perhaps you can post a few pics of the case?
J.

Thanks!

 
 By: aditya : January 5th, 2012-22:54
I do intend to reduce the skeletonization on the next one so that the bevels/ anglage can be larger.

I buy the cases. What I like about this case is that it is just a shade over 41mm and so the movement really fills it up. There is no movement ring required smile. You will find some more pictures of the case in another post.
This message has been edited by aditya on 2012-01-05 22:58:48

Nice job, indeed !

 
 By: vianney : January 5th, 2012-01:51
Hello aditya,

I have considered the pictures of your skeleton watch and found the job well done and deserving a word.

I understand from the post that you have learnt watchmaking on your own and I guess you use the technics, material and tools that are available to you in Pune. This situation is probably less comfortable than the one we have in Switzerland, as India has not a long history in horology nor a dense network of companies involved in watchmaking (tough I have heard  Titan has the world biggest production of watch (in volume).

This makes even more remarkable your result.

Here-after is my feeling about  it :

1/ Your design is neat and classical, perhaps a little too much academic. However, nothing surprising as it is your first jobs. 

2/ Finishing (as far as I can see on the pictures) is very honorable. This of course can be pushed further (I think about the screw heads or the bridge surface finishing) but your job could be shamelessly compared with the one from famous brands.

3/ the "love-killer" detail is to me the poor quality of your engravings that were obviously done by laser. It's a pity because this detail ("the devil is in the details" as we say in Europe) devaluates the rest of the job. I feel this could be very improved if hand-finished by a skilled engraver (engraving itself is an experience and most of the watchmakers ask for specialists for this).


Please consider the above only as the friendly opinion of a colleague.

Should you have any opportunity to travel, I strongly advise you to come in Switzerland and to show your job to other colleagues so as to get other opinions and advices. I feel you would take advantage from exchanging your experience with others.

Should you want to spend a couple of days in La Manufacture Janvier, you are more than welcome.

Warm regards


Vianney Halter

Bravo Vianney!...

 
 By: pplater : January 5th, 2012-05:57
That is wonderful support for one of our enthusiasts. Hopefully aditya will be able to take up your invitation  so that we might see a 'back to the future' piece from India one day!

Kudos to you both.

Cheers,
pplater.

Indeed--a very nice response, and with a bit of authority too! ;-) [nt]

 
 By: expwmbat : January 5th, 2012-10:07
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Now that's encouragement ! [nt]

 
 By: DonCorson : January 5th, 2012-11:20
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That's so cool. I literally started to write "Wow"!

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : January 5th, 2012-14:40
What a kind gesture -- the nicest thing I have read all week.

Best,

CaliforniaJed

Take the opportunity to learn from a master! [nt]

 
 By: JMan : January 5th, 2012-17:50
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