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This message has been edited by MTF on 2016-03-08 16:37:45
Will be interesting to see the results...
Roll Call of PuristS owning AHCI members' watches?
I don't know how to do a poll anymore, but could we do a rough count of the PuristS who have AHCI watches?
I have created a spreadsheet, into which I can enter our numbers. At this time I haven't worked out how to allow editing to others, so please post below this one with your list, or for privacy you may PM the data to me and I will enter it anonymously.
This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 17:49:16
After foversta's post today I thought it might be interesting to see if between us, we have watches from most (or all) of the AHCI members. I am going by the list on their website
This could be exciting.
Cazalea
Um, that first watch is mine!
I have that exact Jutzi Goldpfeil Regulator, along with an MIH watch and a custom Habring2.
Hope that helps.
Best,
Daniel
Hope that helps.
Best,
Daniel
Do you think we should count the Jutzi twice, since we've both owned it?
I say yes!
Thanks, I'll add them in.
Cazalea
Independent good or Independent rubbish?
Mike,
This message has been edited by MTF on 2016-03-07 17:47:38
This survey is fraught with problems.
One: there is no denominator.
Two: there is no criterium for quality or independence.
Independent assembly vs Independent manu- facture?
Even if hand crafted....done well by a meister or cobbled together by a well-meaning primate?
Do you need photo evidence of model names as likely few people know many of the makers, let alone model names?
Maybe confined to AHCI circle only, to keep it topical to the launch today of that initiative?
At least two watchmakers on your spreadsheet are not "independent"......
Regards,
MTF
This message has been edited by MTF on 2016-03-07 17:47:38
Good points; I was thinking of only collecting data on watches by AHCI members
thus those are the only rows in the spreadsheet.
However, I can see for example that:
Paul Gerber could be associated with MIH (assembly) although did not design all of it, or have its brand name.
Frank Jutzi watch was actually "created" or customized by him but labeled GoldPfeil
Vincent Calabrese has produced watches under his own name and others - should they all count?
Argh.
You are right, but could it work if we limited to anything which we know was "done by" an AHCI member.
Define "done by" is the next issue, right?
Argh. This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 17:49:39
However, I can see for example that:
Paul Gerber could be associated with MIH (assembly) although did not design all of it, or have its brand name.
Frank Jutzi watch was actually "created" or customized by him but labeled GoldPfeil
Vincent Calabrese has produced watches under his own name and others - should they all count?
Argh.
You are right, but could it work if we limited to anything which we know was "done by" an AHCI member.
Define "done by" is the next issue, right?
Argh. This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 17:49:39
Addenda...and Do pens count?
Even if defined as "masters" who passed the AHCI criteria once before, there are anomalies.
Regards,
This message has been edited by MTF on 2016-03-07 18:05:13
Frank Muller is missing from the list even if he is a watchmaker-in-name, nowadays with a big boss.
FP Journe is on the list but actually in the same position as Muller (see above)
Calabrese has goneback to being an individual independent.
I'd be interested to see if ANYONE has a delivered Vyskocil watch!
Valerii Danevych AHCI pen and Paul Gerber PuristS 10th watch
MTF
Yes, it's a muddled business, isn't it?
At first I thought perhaps JUST counting the watches currently owned, but that penalizes those who have revolving collections. But if we count ALL the watches EVER owned, there could be multiple owners of the same item (as with Daniel and me) which would skew the numbers.
This might be a bit unfriendly to those makers we know and love but who for one reason or another are NOT on the AHCI.
I'll let you know ASAP if a VV shows up! I thought of you when I saw his name on the list ...
Mike
This might be a bit unfriendly to those makers we know and love but who for one reason or another are NOT on the AHCI.
I'll let you know ASAP if a VV shows up! I thought of you when I saw his name on the list ...
Mike
As a medical researcher, my sample would be actual watches in possession now
Like governments' census...where did you sleep on the night of the census?
Since AHCI members make everything from the Guinness Book of Records smallest wooden watch to the big clocks, maybe pens are not so far out to demonstrate skill?
Regards,
MTF
Do they ask "with whom" you slept on the night of the census?
I daresay that's opening a can of worms, even asking where you slept...
Mike This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 18:39:21
Watches are easier, and I think pens should count.
(Non-AHCI pen for sample demonstration use only)
Mike This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 18:39:21
The location criterium for Census count on one specified night in the UK determines actual
....number of 'souls' living inthe country.
The problem is the 15 other illegal immigrants hidden in the cellar that you don't tell the census officer with the clipboard! 
Regards,
MTF
This message has been edited by MTF on 2016-03-07 18:27:50
I forgot you had a Gerber P10
Michel reminded me of it today, in a conversation we had about my P10
How nice to see yours!
This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 18:30:08
How nice to see yours!
Mike
This message has been edited by cazalea on 2016-03-07 18:30:08
Calabrese Sun-tral
An oldie but goodie by the founding half-father of AHCI
Regards,
MTF
I must take the bait; I have a special love for the independents especially the AHCI
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A not so great picture of my Andersen Secular Perpetual.
Others:
PSM Piccadilly
McGonigle Tourbillon and Tuscarora
Gerber retrograde with power reserve
Halter classic
Prescher Single Axis Tourbillon
Journe Resonance
Daniels Anniversary
Wow. My typos are world class!!!! Better post when I am tired and distracted and watch for auto correct [nt]
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I was hoping you'd take the bait
I'd already begun to pencil in the ones I knew about.
Mike
How could I not? I believe them to be, in a sense, the true future of watchmaking. [nt]
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Only one AHCI member, represented by two watches in my possession ...
... that is Rainer Nienaber, who originally became an AHCI member for his large clocks, which he doesn't produce any longer.
FActually, I had three from Rainer, but one was exchanged for the other.
Marcus
FActually, I had three from Rainer, but one was exchanged for the other.
Marcus
2 for me...
Will be interesting to see the results...
Cheers
Andrew
This message has been edited by andrewluff on 2016-03-08 12:58:10
One for the album
A beautiful McGonigle not often seen.
This message has been edited by Mitch K on 2016-03-08 15:09:29
This message has been edited by Mitch K on 2016-03-08 15:09:29
Loved that watch from the first time I saw it...
Just great -- remember the stories about how careful they need to be tightening the screws into the sapphire bridge... Just great
Current roll call: 60 AHCI watches owned by PuristS
IF you haven't participated, please send me your list by PM, or post it here.
Cheers,
Cazalea
I am counting MIHs as Gerber
No other way to handle it, in my opinion.
Thanks Tim.
Mike
Thanks Tim.
Mike