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Audemars ledgers show the piece was returned to Le Brassus from London in 1880 for repairs to the repeater mechanism and fitment of a new dial. This situation reveals the hazards of handmade watches; when no two ebauches were ever the same, repairs became very time consuming as any new parts had to be individually made and tediously trial-and-error fitted to ensure correct operation. LOL, its a situation that vintage collectors today still confront.
The Sound of Music
Although a committed V&C collector, this Charles Frodsham timepiece from 1869 proved too much to resist. To begin with, it is a minute repeater! Have a look, a sound clip is included at the end...
Charles Frodsham was a celebrated English watch maker from the golden age of chronometry, along with Arnold, Earnshaw, Dent, et al. In fact, Frodsham purchased John Arnold's business in 1840 and, for a brief period, their watches were labelled "Arnold & Frodsham". Frodsham operated from 1810 until his death in 1871 but the name continues to this day as a maker of clocks; recently constructing, on behalf of the Worshipful Company of Clockmakers, a bespoke fusee carriage clock for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee.
Commencing in 1851, Frodsham marked their most important movements with the cryptogram "AD Fmsz", which appears on this piece. Letters from their name were matched with numbers to give the date of "1850", in celebration of the year that Frodsham developed their now ubiquitous 3/4 plate movement. But....their complicated timepieces were most often sourced from top Swiss makers Nicole Neilsen and Louis-Benjamin Audemars; two names which will attract the interest of vintage watch enthusiasts!
Louis-Benjamin Audemars of Le Brassus is one of those long-dead makers that continues to gain the respect of collectors and historians for his prolific and significant contributions to horology. In fact, he has been mentioned as second only to Breguet in this regard. The respect between these two makers was strong enough that Breguet and LB Audemars entered into a joint venture in 1876, whereupon many of Breguet's complicated pieces were based upon LB Audemars ebauches. Research who it was that provided Patek with their first stem-winding movements (before Adrien Philippe), and who was awarded the Legion d'Honneur by the French government for their masterpiece at the Paris Exposition of 1878 for additional details of this maker's achievements.
In addition to the science of watchmaking, LB Audemars is renowned today for their quality of craftsmanship. Entirely handmade in their own shops, the cost of each piece was exceedingly high for a time when mechanization was on the rise (aided by the inventions of Georges-Auguste Leschot at V&C) and prices were on the decline; two forces which eventually led to the company's demise in 1885.
This timepiece, with it's Frodsham number, appears in the registers of LB Audemars; made available by Hartmut Zantke in his substantial book "Louis-Benjamin Audemars His Life and Work", and the "Notice historique" of Louis Audemars, recently translated from the 1922 original by descendant Paul Audemars and published under the title "The Story of Louis Audemars & Cie". Mr. Audemars, as custodian of the surviving records, has kindly provided a certificate and extract of the ledgers for the watch.
Made to order, the construction is entirely English in concept. The massive 18k pink-gold case from London maker Robert Rowlands houses a 4/5 plate movement which, unfortunately, obstructs an appreciation of the mechanicals. What can be seen is marvelous: frosted gilt movement with key winding and setting, blued screws, jeweled and screwed chatons, a lateral lever escapement acting on a pointed-tooth escape wheel which shares its bridge with the cut, compensated bi-metallic balance wheel with faceted diamond endstone, blued Breguet hairspring, and index regulator on a wonderfully chased cock.
Commencing in 1851, Frodsham marked their most important movements with the cryptogram "AD Fmsz", which appears on this piece. Letters from their name were matched with numbers to give the date of "1850", in celebration of the year that Frodsham developed their now ubiquitous 3/4 plate movement. But....their complicated timepieces were most often sourced from top Swiss makers Nicole Neilsen and Louis-Benjamin Audemars; two names which will attract the interest of vintage watch enthusiasts!
Louis-Benjamin Audemars of Le Brassus is one of those long-dead makers that continues to gain the respect of collectors and historians for his prolific and significant contributions to horology. In fact, he has been mentioned as second only to Breguet in this regard. The respect between these two makers was strong enough that Breguet and LB Audemars entered into a joint venture in 1876, whereupon many of Breguet's complicated pieces were based upon LB Audemars ebauches. Research who it was that provided Patek with their first stem-winding movements (before Adrien Philippe), and who was awarded the Legion d'Honneur by the French government for their masterpiece at the Paris Exposition of 1878 for additional details of this maker's achievements.
In addition to the science of watchmaking, LB Audemars is renowned today for their quality of craftsmanship. Entirely handmade in their own shops, the cost of each piece was exceedingly high for a time when mechanization was on the rise (aided by the inventions of Georges-Auguste Leschot at V&C) and prices were on the decline; two forces which eventually led to the company's demise in 1885.
This timepiece, with it's Frodsham number, appears in the registers of LB Audemars; made available by Hartmut Zantke in his substantial book "Louis-Benjamin Audemars His Life and Work", and the "Notice historique" of Louis Audemars, recently translated from the 1922 original by descendant Paul Audemars and published under the title "The Story of Louis Audemars & Cie". Mr. Audemars, as custodian of the surviving records, has kindly provided a certificate and extract of the ledgers for the watch.
Made to order, the construction is entirely English in concept. The massive 18k pink-gold case from London maker Robert Rowlands houses a 4/5 plate movement which, unfortunately, obstructs an appreciation of the mechanicals. What can be seen is marvelous: frosted gilt movement with key winding and setting, blued screws, jeweled and screwed chatons, a lateral lever escapement acting on a pointed-tooth escape wheel which shares its bridge with the cut, compensated bi-metallic balance wheel with faceted diamond endstone, blued Breguet hairspring, and index regulator on a wonderfully chased cock.
Audemars ledgers show the piece was returned to Le Brassus from London in 1880 for repairs to the repeater mechanism and fitment of a new dial. This situation reveals the hazards of handmade watches; when no two ebauches were ever the same, repairs became very time consuming as any new parts had to be individually made and tediously trial-and-error fitted to ensure correct operation. LOL, its a situation that vintage collectors today still confront.
FWIW, Louis-Benjamin Audemars was a cousin to Jules-Louis Audemars of the family branch that co-founded Audemars-Piguet in 1875. Their family history is fascinating and full of names we recognize today, but of course, that is why Zantke could fill a book!
I'm still working on identifying the heraldic crest engraved on the cover, but the eagle was a very popular symbol. Hope you've enjoyed this brief tour of an old watch 
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Great history.....
Can you include your still photos of the watch as part of the thread? I would like to look at the movement more. Have you been able to track the provenance of this piece?
It is wonderful that you have been able to research this piece to this degree. Thank you for sharing.
Bill
Sure thing, Bill
As my one and only English-style watch, I find the differences fascinating:
Great story. I was reading an old Watchtime article on the
Dresden Mathematics and Physics salon, which is essentially a museum with an amazing horological collection. Even they have a piece by Mr. Frodsham.
Another interesting Frodsham by LB Audemars
This piece was auctioned by Antiquorum. It was acquired by Frodsham in 1880 and features a two-train grand and petite sonnerie with "trip" minute repeater (meaning the repetition spring is wound with the mainspring).
One of the best kept 'secrets'!
Wonderful watch! Thanks for sharing this great video!
You have one of vintage pocket watches great secrets there: A private label Louis Audemars
Frodsham watches are spectacular to begin with, and then to have one manufactured by Ls. Audemars is even better (from the Swiss perspective, English repeaters are also amazing on their own right!).
Thanks for sharing and I'd love to see some movement pictures,
S
S
See reply to Bill for pics
Love your username! Have you ever been to the LB Audemars home at Crêt-Meylan? They only manufactured ebauches for other makers until about 1850, when the company decided to offer completed watches under their own name. Those made up till about 1880 were magnificent, but financial problems began a slow stranglehold on the business and ironically, towards the end, they were using ebauches supplied by other anonymous manufactures. Following their bankruptcy in 1885 the name was used for a period by other family members and license holders but it wasn't the same...
The Geneva office opened in 1875 at Place des Alpes 2. Nothing interesting there now:
I like your watch and even more I like your kind of ...
research.
"This timepiece, with it's Frodsham number, appears in the registers of LB Audemars; made available by Hartmut Zantke in his substantial book "Louis-Benjamin Audemars His Life and Work"
I have the book you mentioned ...
... and I tried to find your watch/movement ...
... but I failed :-( Did I miss anything?
Thanks!
Oliver
"This timepiece, with it's Frodsham number, appears in the registers of LB Audemars; made available by Hartmut Zantke in his substantial book "Louis-Benjamin Audemars His Life and Work"
I have the book you mentioned ...
... and I tried to find your watch/movement ...
... but I failed :-( Did I miss anything?
Thanks!
Oliver
You are correct about Zantke
Thanks for asking, Oliver Zantke's list of Frodsham numbers only begins with 1878. The more recent book by Paul Audemars, The Story of Louis Audemars & Cie, contains additional ledgers and serial numbers that weren't available to Zantke when he published in 2003. For the record, here is one of two entries for this watch in Paul's book:
Research the most entertaining aspect of collecting watches. With this piece, I also connected with Richard Stenning, the current archivist at Frodsham. Their records prior to 1878 were destroyed by fire some time ago, which explains Zantke's data. Although Stenning was familiar with the watch, because of its age I was unable to obtain their certificate of origin. Cheers,
Zantke's list of Frodsham numbers only begins with 1878. The more recent book by Paul Audemars, The Story of Louis Audemars & Cie, contains additional ledgers and serial numbers that weren't available to Zantke when he published in 2003. For the record, here is one of two entries for this watch in Paul's book:
Also very interesting was the entry from 1880 when the piece was returned for repairs to the repetition mechanism and change of dial. I've been advised that scribbled next to the repair cost is "Frod" for Frodsham:
Research the most entertaining aspect of collecting watches. With this piece, I also connected with Richard Stenning, the current archivist at Frodsham. Their records prior to 1878 were destroyed by fire some time ago, which explains Zantke's data. Although Stenning was familiar with the watch, because of its age I was unable to obtain their certificate of origin. Cheers,
Congratulations, Dean!
What an amazing addition to your collection. It is really something to get to hear as well as see this piece. Thank you for including a sound clip in the video. Just astonishing to see this watch this old fully functioning and in such magnificent condition.
Best regards,
respo
Hard to resist
asking my watchmaker to disassemble the movement, because I'm dying to know more about its construction and any unique LB Audemars touches hiding under that top plate. But it works well, keeps good time, and the possibility of breaking screws, etc., without any real need just can't be justified. In this respect, I prefer those Lepine-style Swiss movements where you can figure most everything out from a visual inspection.
A little more on Frodsham from George Daniels.
George Daniels was quite an admirer of Frodsham watches.
In his book with Cecil Clutton he writes:
"The numerous members of the Frodsham family were in business from some time before 1780. William Frodsham, the second generation of watchmakers, married Alice, a grand-daughter of John Harrison. Charles, the last member of the family to be active in watchmaking, died in 1871, but the firm still continues.
From some time before the middle of the last century (1) they began making lever escapements and chronometer escapement (2) watches of the very highest quality, and continued to do so until the outbreak of the war in 1939. For the 1851 Exhibition they introduced the 3/4 plate calibre which they marked AD.FMSZ, which continued subsequently to be put on all their highest grade work. The significance of FMSZ is said to be found by putting the name Frodsham against the numbers thus
In his book with Cecil Clutton he writes:
"The numerous members of the Frodsham family were in business from some time before 1780. William Frodsham, the second generation of watchmakers, married Alice, a grand-daughter of John Harrison. Charles, the last member of the family to be active in watchmaking, died in 1871, but the firm still continues.
From some time before the middle of the last century (1) they began making lever escapements and chronometer escapement (2) watches of the very highest quality, and continued to do so until the outbreak of the war in 1939. For the 1851 Exhibition they introduced the 3/4 plate calibre which they marked AD.FMSZ, which continued subsequently to be put on all their highest grade work. The significance of FMSZ is said to be found by putting the name Frodsham against the numbers thus
F R O D S H A M Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0
Thus FMSZ gives the date 1850.
During the first part of this century (3) the firm was closely connected with Nicole Neilson who made most of the movements, including some of the most perfect tourbillons ever made, which can still perform with almost unrivalled accuracy. When other watches were becoming increasingly ugly during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, Frodsham watches are almost elegant and well proportioned, and evenas late as 1914 some of them with engine-turned dials were worthy of Breguet."
(1) 19th century
(2) pivot detent escapement
(3) 20th century
Daniels adds elsewhere under a photo of of No. 09655 from 1913, a lever escapement one-minute tourbillon had on four separate occasions between 1913 and 1946 taken a Kew certificate.
During the first part of this century (3) the firm was closely connected with Nicole Neilson who made most of the movements, including some of the most perfect tourbillons ever made, which can still perform with almost unrivalled accuracy. When other watches were becoming increasingly ugly during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, Frodsham watches are almost elegant and well proportioned, and evenas late as 1914 some of them with engine-turned dials were worthy of Breguet."
(1) 19th century
(2) pivot detent escapement
(3) 20th century
Daniels adds elsewhere under a photo of of No. 09655 from 1913, a lever escapement one-minute tourbillon had on four separate occasions between 1913 and 1946 taken a Kew certificate.
Congrats Dean!
What a story and research!
And of course the lovely pocket watch minute repeater with so much research you have shared.
Thanks Dean for this very enjoyable read.
Cheers
Robin
And of course the lovely pocket watch minute repeater with so much research you have shared.
Thanks Dean for this very enjoyable read.
Cheers
Robin