Patek Philippe

I am considering adding one of these beauties to my collection.

Was wondering whether anyone has both and offer thoughts comparing the two.

 

Thanks in advance.

Nat

Boith are good choices, in my opinion.

It will depend on your taste: Are you on clean looking watches, so you'll go on the 5070, or on more complicated watches?

Are you more manual than auto?

My advice would be to get both, as they are very different.

If I had to get only one, I would go for the Manual.

My 2 cents.

Nicolas.

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5070R, especially in R. I think it's a beautiful timeless chrono. There's not much I don't like about it.

and if you could afford both, than buy a 5070R and a 5070G or 5070J or 5070P ....but definitely the 5070

Both watches have it's own charm and suitors. This discussion has been raised before, FYI.

5070 vs 5960

1)manual vs auto

2)classic vs modern

3)sub dials vs integrated dial

4)discontinued vs current production

5)pre own vs brand new

6)Lemania derived vs in house movement

7)pure chrono vs added annual calendar complication

So ask yourself, do a scorecard, and give your OWN scoring and weightage to each criteria. The high score wins.

Now why I prefer 5960 over the 5070.

1) Lemania movement available from everyone else...from VC to Breguet to Roger Dubuis etc. I have the VC Malte chrono, sporting same movement, albeit Patek finishing is slightly better. But you can get the VC Le Historique chrono and it sport a level of finishing on par easily with the Patek. If you get a chance to see the older Roger Dubuis Sympathie Chrono, the finishing is equally spectacular, bearing in mind Mr Dubuis worked at Patek, albeit in the complications development department.

2) the two sub dial at 3 and 9 is kinda common. I have at least another 5 chrono by mainstream brands sporting the same layout. The 5960 and 5980 however, is just so different....a most modern chrono, and a highly intelligent design.

3) you can't get the 5070 brand new from AD anymore. But there are countless number of them available pre own and new in box and sealed. The 5960 is available from ADs and Greys, easily.

4) you get a annual calendar in the 5960.

Those are my reason for choosing the 5960. There is 5960 is better then 5070, vice versa .....they are just different. I enjoyed my time with the 5070, but I can't afford to keep both. In any case, I prefer Lange chronos anyway.

Hope that helps.

Best,

Horo

I also have a thing for Lange chronos (own Datograph) so I know what you mean. 

 If you could keep a 5960P and a 5070, would you prefer the J or another version?

 

 

and i suspect there are fewer Js out there. the black dial on yellow gold gives it a more "vintage" look, whilst the R looks more contemporary and arguably more discreet. but hey...I think yellow gold is going to make a BIG COMEBACK!!!

at the end of the day, its a very personal choice. and the decision to buy which version also depends on your skin tone, missus' preference if you are gonna share with her(some collectors do, esp those with horologically inclined spouses), availbility as well, given its discon.

its also a personal decision on whether to keep both 5070 and 5960. i made that decision not to, as per described in earlier post. I take a holistic collecting philosophy approach, which is that I like chronos as a complication that is most interactive and "fun", arguably even useful. So i find the same movement in the VC, so i dont need the 5070, since i do not place Patek on the pedestral and worship it, thus like i said before, i would consider other makes. But this "strategy" would not suit those with a Patek "theme" collection. For this group of collectors, the 5070 IS A MUST! i would even venture to say, like in a earlier thread by Dje, that is Rarity is indeed a consideration, the 5070 is produced in fewer quantities then the 5970, and the J version is probably the least. CAVEAT: this is my PERSONAL opinion and observation, Patek has never declared the above as facts!!

May i humbly suggest that you take a look at the VC Les Historiques or even the RD Sympathie chrono, both sporting the same Lemania movement. i am NOTencouraging you to buy them, merely and humbly suggesting you CONSIDER them. Since this two are also out of production, and all preowned, no diff from the 5070, except that there are some sealed 5070s being traded around still. the VC is quite small, and the RD is not the typical round case. at the end of this excercise, and if you are still attracted to the 5070, whether J or R, then go for it,becoz you have done all the due diligence dutifully.

good luck.

Best,

Horo

 

 

 

 

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pmed you

best,

Horo

Round, Lemania, super-finish for 30% of the 5070 price. I also own a 5070G and they are equally beautiful.

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Horo