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But where is the wristshot???

An interesting watch indeed....

Although enamel dials are not really my cup of tea... I will
Take Dje's word that you really have to see it on your hand....

Hopefully I will be able to....

Cheers

But not a good one of the watch....

Should I assume that there are more to come?



Cheers

Is a stunner and really shows the brilliant colours.

But that all said, it would not be for me.

It is very rare to wee a wristshot with it !

Fr.Xavier

This message has been edited by Roxbury on 2010-06-07 13:42:50

Fr.Xavier

5131 G still is my dream watch.Did You realize a strange thing:

Although PP checks everyone who tries to get one and hardly any pieces are around,there are already 5 offered by grey market dealers,4 x5131J and one 5131 G,at astronomic prices.

A Syrian grey market dealer even offers a YG AND a WG   one !!

Sad IMO,

how the hell do they get them???

 

regards,

Lutz

This message has been edited by lutz on 2010-06-09 09:32:35

I recall you or a relative (friend) were to receive the 5131. What ever happened?

and even respectable collectors can become temporary flippers when they see a watch they paid £35k for get bid at £100k for.

acquires a 5131 is a fool in my book to ever sell it. To purchase a 5131 at list happens rarely enough in a lifetime. To ever acquire a second one defies reality.

as i neither bought one from an AD or even tried....and i most certainly didn't look at one in the 2nd market.

However, given that so often one has to buy watches from PP without getting a good chance to really try it out on the wrist, is it not possible to love a watch in a picture but find it uninspiring on the wrist? If that happened, then do you keep the watch? Are you a fool if you do not keep it?

I also think that you have such strong feelings about the 5131 because it is a watch you clearly love. That is understandable...but is it right to apply that love for the 5131 and apply it across all Patek owners and state that any "real Patek collector" is a fool if they buy a 5131 and then sell it. I do not actually agree with you. I think it is perfectly possible to buy a Patek like the 5131 and realise afterwards that it is a "mistake". Not all tastes are the same, and i certainly make mistakes on buying watches. What i think is true is that anyone who flips a watch for profit even if they truly love the watch...then yes, on that i can agree with you...then that is not a purist collector. It doesnt make them a fool though.

the term " in my book" is a slang term which means "in my opinion". I have owned the 5110P which I traded to the original AD I purchased from 7 years before for a 5130P. I sold the 5130P to make room for the 5131 which I am still dreaming of ( I guess I jumped the gun ). So I understand about selling a watch which stopped making you smile. In my case it was for trading up due to economic factors. But I have a real moral issue paying a flipper a King's ransom of 300 % for the reference 5131, just like not paying a ticket scalper 3X the face value for a sports game seat. . I would love to know how many forum members acquired the 5131 from an AD. DId the AD sell at list ?

About two years ago, i bought my patek 3969PT jump hour, if i am correct to quote, only 50 pcs made in PT, 450 pcs made in RG.  All in all, it took me 19 years for the wait before i have the chance to buy this watch. 

I remember when they first came out, it was impossible to get your hands on ....

Looking at the current situation on this patek 5131 J or G, i wont speculate what will happen in the future, but if you wait another 19 years, Patek would have come up with something even more interesting ... the formula would not change, by then, i am sure, if i want to buy a patek 5131 in the secondary market, there are plenty to go around. 

Happy hunting ...

of course he should sell it at list price if he is honourable.

Still,I tried to negotiate that I might get it at 2009 list price -when I ordered it-  and he respectfully denied,so whenever it  arrives I will have to pay the actual list price but without premium.

BTW from 5131 G no piece has been delivered yet in our region of Europe.

cheers

Lutz

5131G went for 244'000.00 US!!! Unbelievable...

2012... which means the flipper just bought recently (late 2012 or early 2013) and sold after a few months for >3X the retail price

Patek will definitely track down the flipper and AD and blacklist the flipper and may give a slap on the wrist for the AD

For all we know, the AD might have flipped it on its own

I have not heard any news from my sources in Hong Kong and China about 5131 being discontinued

But if the catalogue says so, perhaps Christie's know something that we do not 

.... wrong statement, its obviously not discontinued. Another proof is Kari receiving his in a few days.

... with the 5131G.  Enjoy!

MST

I had a chat recently with SA at PP Salons in Geneve and they admitted that they sold some items for flippers in th past and now they are monitoring each item.
My biggest consern is that they will stop production some day.

P.S.  i hope i am number 5 in the wating list, not number 125

... between J and G, that is!

 Sorry about the image quality.  I have some nice watches, but a crappy camera ... and it's harder than I thought to do a 2-watch wrist shot?

There's a lot of chatter in the post(s) about the engraving on the case, the quality and the size of the cloisonné artwork, and the issue of flipping.  I am obviously biased, but also very well experienced.

There is NO issue with the engraving.  Most of the people who have seen these watches on my wrist only realize the engraving on the case once I point it out.  Honestly, they're almost exclusively drawn to the artwork in the center of the dial.  The lighting for the pictures on the Patek web-site makes the engraving more present than it really appears?  Moreover, there's really nothing wrong with the script.  In person it's actually very well-done.

In my opinion the cloisonné artwork cannot be fully appreciated by the naked eye.  From a far it looks beautiful.  With a magnifying glass, however, it's absolutely stunning.  Even a non-artist (like myself) can't help but marvel at the extreme task it must be to replicate the world map(s) in such a confined area. TRULY AMAZING!

Flipping?  My guess is that it probably isn't done by a watch aficionado or collector.  I would think this is especially true for a piece that isn’t very old?  Someone who truly appreciates watches couldn’t let a 5131 go.  Dr. KOL is right.

MST

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