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"look after it" implies precious, fragile
I agree with most of what you wrote about the special place that PP occupies. And I don't want to reduce the discussion down to pure semantics. But in my opinion the connection between the ability of PP to service vintage watches and it's slogan is tenuous. The idea that I get from those adds is that any PP watch is so special that one should think of it as a family heirloom.
Also let me point out that although PP is indeed capable of servicing and maintaining all the watches that they have ever made they have little desire to do so except for very special cases. I have seen completely insane service quotes for very basic pocket watches in great condition. This is pretty much equivalent to refusing service.
As for RM, my intuition tells me that they won't be around in the long term. But does that really matter? It is a brand that relies 90% on the marketing genius of Richard Mille. Not that there is no interesting stuff in the design and approach to watchmaking, but it is not the key. RM is all about instant gratification and what he said just enforces that notion. I am personally not bothered by it, at least his message is consistent.
Also let me point out that although PP is indeed capable of servicing and maintaining all the watches that they have ever made they have little desire to do so except for very special cases. I have seen completely insane service quotes for very basic pocket watches in great condition. This is pretty much equivalent to refusing service.
As for RM, my intuition tells me that they won't be around in the long term. But does that really matter? It is a brand that relies 90% on the marketing genius of Richard Mille. Not that there is no interesting stuff in the design and approach to watchmaking, but it is not the key. RM is all about instant gratification and what he said just enforces that notion. I am personally not bothered by it, at least his message is consistent.
Thank you for a considered post and fair and excellent points
As for the advertising
The ability to look after the watch generation after generations was part if the advertising
As explained to me by Patek when the advertising started
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Imran
The ability to look after the watch generation after generations was part if the advertising
As explained to me by Patek when the advertising started
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Imran
Not Patek’s fault
It’s hardly Patek’s fault that a segment of Patek owners decides to use them as investment instead of wearing them? Patek’s boast of safeguarding for the next generation is more a statement to their quality and the superb service PP gives.
Let’s see how RM are doing 20 years from now.
Let’s see how RM are doing 20 years from now.
RM will be hitting 20 years
and I think they deserve credit for building a very savvy business plan and executing it well. RM watches are so light, it's just awesome.
But RM has miles to go before they can stand toe-to-toe with PP.
The day in the future when there are dozens of books written about RM watches, watch lovers can talk about 60-year-old RM watches in perspective, and RM puts on free exhibitions around the world for watch lovers will be the day RM has arrived on the pinnacle with PP.
And when we mention values (whether someone puts a watch in a safe or not), we have to add the perspective of time. There were 6 figure Franck Muller watches in the 1990's and early 2000s that IIRC were the hottest watches on the planet. There were high value AP ROOs that were sizzling less than 15 years ago. Nowadays, not so much.
Patek Philippe watches have had their staying power. Yes, I think Patek could have done something earlier to combat the hoarding of safe queens. The recent policy to stop selling watches that are sealed will hopefully help.
Very wise words, thank you for a wonderful anf thoughtful response [nt]
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I've been hearing the same talking points for 15 years...maybe one day we'll know.
At the end of the day, I have a feeling no matter what, PP fan boy's are always going to snub their nose at any brand not PP. So it really doesn't matter.
Wonder if the old school car crowd thought the same of Tesla.
Wonder if the old school car crowd thought the same of Tesla.
Texex91, you need to open your eyes to the owners on PPro
Most Patek owners here also own other brands and are fans of other brands. I am a fan of both Patek and RM watches as well as JLC, AP, Zenith, Heuer to name a few. Being a fan of Patek and another brand is not mutually exclusive for some of us. Don’t take some critical thoughts as a sign of snobbishness or defensiveness.
Hey Tex. What exactly are you trying to achieve by repeatedly exhibiting the self righteous behavior you seem so keen to attribute solely to owners of one particular watch brand?
You’ve been antagonistic all day. I’ll speak for myself: enough already.
And no, that is not the picture of a rare reference I had requested 😀!!
And no, that is not the picture of a rare reference I had requested 😀!!
You ladies are too funny in PP section. Just too easy.
Most action on PP sub forum since someone posted an incoming Aquanaut. Exciting times indeed....
OP got his feathers ruffled because of some quote that doesn't even mention PP by name. Kinda silly to begin with if you ask me.
Anyways, look forward to the next shot of a nice PP Quartz.
You all have fun, I'm off to enjoy a drink.
The only thing that was easy
Was getting you to resort to insults
Please refrain from being churlish
I don’t mind an alternative viewpoint
And reasoned discussion
But dont push it with insults
Fair warning
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Imran
Please refrain from being churlish
I don’t mind an alternative viewpoint
And reasoned discussion
But dont push it with insults
Fair warning
Best
Imran
I think that’s a good idea Tex. Maybe two. And a good night’s rest. Let’s all hope you’ve exhausted your repertoire of 2 cent insults. Enjoy your cocktails [nt]
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And on behalf of our esteemed Tex, I’ll apologize to all the actual women on the forum. Tex’s commentary and viewpoints DO NOT represent the majority, minority, or anyone else for that matter [nt]
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Actually, and unfortunately, it seems you do Tex. I'm not alone when I write I'm embarrassed for you and how far you've taken this [nt]
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You know what--you are not worth my reply. You're not important to me.
Mods...if you want to blast me fine, I really don't care. But these personal attacks are not needed.
I certainly didn't intend to belittle you nor the RM brand, but this is apropos for this discussion.
I'm sorry you feel like you've been insulted. I'm a believer in the idea that we each own what we say (or write). Clearly, I've misinterpreted your thoughtful insights
Fan boys of Patek usually have a Richard Mille too
And Rolex
Some even have s seiko!
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Fan boy Miranda 🤗😘
Some even have s seiko!
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Fan boy Miranda 🤗😘
Nope! I have PP, Rolex and Seiko and others, but definitely no RM and I will surely never get one. [nt]
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Maybe, but just pushes current sealed watch prices even higher......? [nt]
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Probable, yes.
At least there will not be hundreds more of the new sealed Pateks. At some point in 10-15 years, the current sealed Pateks will need to be serviced, especially if it gets sold & the new owner has to check that it works properly and if it goes to the manufacturer then Patek will break the seal and should not return it with a new seal.
Sealed watch hoarders are not fan boys, so let them pay whatever they want [nt]
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Where were 10 years ago all the current RM fans?
When you could buy a second hand RM Felipe Massa for 18k!
Or RM 008 was 60% discounted brand new!
How many RM's collectors know that time only movements come from Vaucher and the complicated ones from AP-RP?
Do they know that RM 011 is likely one the worst chrono for quality/price ratio, with a module by Dubois-Dépraz?
I remember very well some early RM collectors here, Riddler is one of them.
But truth is that today RM is for football players and Movie/TV stars, those who want to show off their status.
Just to balance my words, as far as regard Patek, how would you call a person who buy an expensive watch and keep it sealed?
Collector or investor?
I like the spirit of Ppro because there are collectors like Dr.kol, runie, and many many others who put their watches on the right place: the wrist.
Ok, now keep on fighting
p.s. i've always found that PP commercial so genuinely naive and vain...all white people, those billionaires with their boats, RR, etc...
No one is fighting, merely presenting the other side of the coin.
And I hate to spread the bad news to you, but PP is more interesting to Rappers and football players these days.
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Actually I couldn't care less, of these unpaid ambassadors 😁
As you wrote, Patek makes 10 times more watches than RM, so no surprise that those shining Nautilus belong to the same category of people (I mean wealthy show business stars)
Like AP, Hublot, VC, and any other expensive watch that is supposed to give an upper status.
I know we are just talking, politely and respectfully, but we are a niche of watch lovers, not at all like those "collectors".😎😎😎
Like AP, Hublot, VC, and any other expensive watch that is supposed to give an upper status.
I know we are just talking, politely and respectfully, but we are a niche of watch lovers, not at all like those "collectors".😎😎😎