Patek Philippe

New visitor to the forum here and looks like there is a lot of experts that can help me make the right decision...

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white gold for regular / casual wear; rose gold (especially the black dial) for more formal wear.

Thank you!

Patek worldtimes are great to wear. The 5131g j with cloiusone dial are hard to make and i believe they will hold 

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Thank you so much - I love love 5905! Choice between dials will be an interesting battle for sure - I think initially I was concerned about thickness of the watch as I wanted something to be worn comfortably with a suit. Decisions, decisions.

The thickness of this watch is 13.55 mm while 5905 is 14.03 mm. At the same time the latter is 1.5 mm larger. Seriously: how much less than 0.5 mm in thickness means? I do not feel any difference of thickness when I'm changing from my 5960 to my 5905.
Best, Kari

Kari, thank you so much for your feedback and assistance, it totally makes sense. You mentioned 5140p in blue dial - I know you have one or several with that color, do you think it withstand the changing times as I know its a popular color choice of dial now? And of course will be based on availability - 5140p with black or blue dials and 5905 are my favorites.

I took 5905 in black because in my opinion there are too many blue dials around. I'm afraid that in 10-20 years these blue ones look like "2015-2016 Blue Boom". I like a lot 5140P with black dial but I'm not a fan of the diamonds.

and especially on our Patek forum.

This is a nice project with a very interesting budget.

I think that the Patek cases are all comfortable, thanks to the lugs and caseback design. No real problem on that level, except if platinum watches are too heavy for you. In this case of course avoid Pt material for bigger references.

As for the dressy watch, you're talking about, it seems that you allow yourself to choose thicker cases as well as you selected the 5960 and like the 5905 too.

I think that any of your choices are good and that it will mainly depend on your own taste (dial colors, hands shapes, font etc...).

It is very hard to tell as the list meeting your creteria will be very long...

5170G with silver dial is fantastic but the more casual new black dial is maybe more modern (still in your dressy list). Most interesting and beautiful movement of your selection (manual, not auto).

The 5960 in gold or Pt (discontinued officially) are dressy from your definition but quite too sporty to be called so, I think (except the Pt with black dial). The current available 5960, the steel version is much sportier and will not be as suitable with suits as a dressier gold or Pt model which have a dial layout in a more classical look whereas the steel version has a contrasted white dial with drakened hands and markers with red elements. And it is sold in steel with bracelet only.

So, I finally come to your last choice; the 5140 (a perpetual calendar): it is, to me, the real dressy watch from the 3 you picked, especially because thinner, more sober and discreet with a more classical case's shape (more due to the dimensions rather than to the shape). You will step up in complication, from AC to PC, with still a change of dial. The Con would be that you don't change enough as a 5036 remain close to a 5140 is terms of general aesthetics.


If I could suggest several references to have a look at:

- the 5496 (also Perpetual Calendar): it is another kind of case shape but it touches the very high end of your budget from what I understand.
- the 5205 G or R seem to be (to be verified) thinner than 5960: however it is still an Annual calendar, even if more affordable.
- The Nautilus line can offer a nice dressy chic watch with the 5711 or 5712, especially with the strap (the bracelet is one of Patek's best finishing work but strap will be dressier and more refined).
- and don't forget the 3940 and 5110 World Time, in second hand (predecessors of repectively 5140 and 5130 World Time) and so beautiful: perfect classics.

I remained in the complicated ones (except for the 5711) as you had the AC already but the 2 or 3 hands (and especialy the 5227) are beautiful dressy models to consider (and will leave high budget for other watches btw): 5227, 5296, some 6000...

This is nearly not a selection but making one is taking my tastes into account. I tried on the contrary to remain open for you.

There is no watch there that will be a mistake.

Don't hesitate to ask for advice with your final top 3 for instance but, even if we have our tastes, you are the one who is going to wear it finally of course.

Cheers, Mark

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This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2015-11-22 15:56:53

Mark, thank you so much for your advise in selection and also in aesthetics /fashion use as well. You are "responsible" for adding 5205R to the list, especially since its much more affordable then other considerations. Initially I focused on platinum case, clean dial - very classic understated look along with perpetual thus 5140 was clear favorite considering it will carry similar aesthetics to my current watch. Then came 5170G , then Kari had excellent suggestion for 5905 - its when I start looking at black dials. And now with 5205R, its rose gold with black dial - a complete 360 from 5140p, at least from the looks standpoint. I think I want to make decision that is good not only on investment but also collect-ability.

material PP watches are made is platinum... That's about collect ability...
The most expensive material is platinum...
But platinum is having a very special shine and it feels good.
Best, Kari

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steel represents 20% of their production. I bet that golds together represent totally over 60% and platinum less than 20%. I'll try to check.
Best, Kari

Kari has a good point.

In the meantime, what will be the new modern in 10 years for instance? Difficult to know.

Take your time to "digest" all these possibilities and I think you will then be able to make the right choice.

Cheers, Mark

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5960P-016 (black dial), Yegor.

The 5960-family is an important part of Patek's history because it features their first ever self-winding chronograph developed and manufactured in-house (caliber CH 28-520 IRM QA 24H), which was unveiled to the public for the first time in 5960P-001 (gray dial) nine years ago. However, it also features an annual calendar, which in fact was patented by Patek in 1996. In other words it offers both history and useful complications. The former can't be said for the 5905 IMHO.  

But why would you pick a 5960P-016, Ouroboros? It had a short run production of just one year (2013-2014), which most likely will affect its value retention, but also due to the monochromatic ''theme''.

 

Without my 5960A, I would probably decided for 5960P, black dial.
However, the pushers of 5905 are much nicer and the chronometer is more readable.
Best, Kari

if I were to pick one of them as a partner for life, I'd go for the 5960 due its history and complications, even though it came with a hefty price tag. The 60 minute-counter is more readable on 5905 because it doesn't offer a 12 hour-counter and it's also bigger than its predecessor.

My one go to Patek is the 5960P with the anthracite dial. This is a piece that suits my lifestyle and aesthetic taste more than any other time piece I have encountered. The 016 is so phenomenally beautiful that I hope I never run into the unfortunate opportunity to acquire one!!! It is just so phenomenal. The black successor is however not far away in my opinion, suppose I have to feel the larger case on the arm to make a real opinion on whether I find it appropriate but make more sense as a complement ... Sorry for the ramble but agree if only one Patek could be owned and the only two choices were the black 5960 and 5905 I would also go for the 5960... But for me right now I am warming up to the idea of a black 5905 assuming the size feels ok that is....




This message has been edited by keks on 2015-11-25 10:36:51

Ok as much as value is an abstract and to avoid topic here I have to agree on that point as the 5905P is considerably more affordable... Ouch, mind starting to drift... !

in UK is a bit over £ 6,800. That's around € 9.5k. The price difference is remarkable but it wasn't the reason for my choices.

Have you considered a 5054p?  While it is fairly different in style from the models you mentioned, it is certainly formal and bound to be a good investment due to the style being discontinued without a replacement.

Thank you so much everyone who contributed to my question - obviously there is much more expertise here then I can ever have known prior. The search is definitely one of the exciting things - at times I wonder if the ownership would be just as fun! Hope so! I had opportunity to stop by in Boston to try on different watches to see them in person after many recommendations -  I was a bit surprised to see 5205 to feel somewhat smaller on my wrist - I dont have any gigantic forearms but still almost wish it was bigger. 5905 is nowhere to be found locally to try. I also liked 5960R black dial but could not find it to see  in person. 

It needs time and many visits to make the tour of this subject.

Thanks for the feedback, this experience will help you rank your favorites!

Cheers, Mark

and I love this external ring (light grey colored) and the way it is covered by the markers. This is also something I like in the 5905.

Cheers, Mark