A review on a totally underated watch: Reverso Gran Sport Chronograph.

May 25, 2015,00:18 AM
 

 
I still don't get how this watch has such a small success.
 
Released in the early 2000's, ( unveiled for the first time in the 2000 / 2001 catalog ) after the Rose Gold version which was born in... 1996, this Reverso came with two dials, one white, one black.
 
The sublime Rose Gold Reverso Chronograph from 1996:
 
 

 



The white version: ( Pictures found on the net, I don't know who to credit for )
 

 
I remember very well when it was released and when I saw it for the very first time.
 
At that time, I found it a bit too small and thick, I didn't like ( and I still don't, by the way ) the too mannered bracelet, and I found the retail a bit too " steep ".
 
Were these the reasons which lead people to not appreciate at its just value?
 
I don't know, but I have to say that this feeling was mine, and that it changed with time passing.
 
The Reverso Chronograph and the Gran Sport Chronograph are true challenges, and should deserve much more appreciation for that reason:
 
- This is a rectangular column wheel chronograph movement.
 
How many do we have, in the market? Except the GP Vintage 45, I don't see others which come to my mind, immediately.
 
- It is a manual integrated movement, and as far as I know, it is unique, withut forgetting that it required a lot of time and efforts to develop it ( 3 years ).
 
- It is a retrograde 30 minutes chronograph, to add some sophistication to the complexity of the creation.
 
- Its 317 parts have to be housed in a small case.
 
- It has to provide enough power reserve, to properly feed the retrograde.

 In its case, it offers an autonomy of 44 hours, which is better than some milestones such as the Datograph, for example ( 36 hours, in the case of the Datograph " first generation ". )
 
- And let's not forget that it is a Reverso, a watch with one dial on each side, each dial being " animated " by the same movement, a magic and unique display of time.
 
 
Some illustrations of this movement. Illustrations I found in the 2000 / 2001 Catalog:
 
The Cal 859:
 
 
 
 
" In the start position... These levers, gear-trains and heart-pieces handle the chronograph functions. Somewhat ressembling a crenellated tower, the column wheel corrdinates and synchronises all the levers movement. "
 
 
 
 
" In the stop position. The start / stop indicator on the front provides information on the state of the chronograph ".
 
 
 
 
We'll focus on the black Reverso Gan Sport Chrono, but I must say that I could never choose between the black and the white, as they both have an equal charm, and I will try to tell you why my feelings changed on this watch.
 
1/ The concept:
 
I must say that I totally adore the idea of having 2 dials, one for the time only, the other dedicated to the chronograph.
 
Original, unique, and, therefore, you can choose your face!
 
2/ The Aesthetics.
 
The Gran Sport Chronograph manages to preserve an ultra clean look for such a complication.
 
Usually, you have a mix of subdials ( two or three, rarely one ) which are more or less well integrated.
 
Here, you won't have this kind of problem, due to the natural duality of the Reverso.
 
Therefore, the 2 dials are somptuous.
 
The Recto face tells the main informations, the time, and helps you to see if the chrono is working with this indicator at 5 o'clock, since you have to flip the case to see the chrono dial.
 
An interesting detail: This is one of the few Chronograph which has a big second hand, while most of them use a small second subdial for the non chrono second hand.
 
 

 
The verso dial shows an unusual face, with its big round 60 seconds subdial, and the half circle shaped 30 minutes retrograde counter.
 

 

Both dials have a nice guilloché,  but with different shapes.
 
Even the date, which is not, by far, my favourite feature, is well integrating and not too disturbing.
 
Another interesting detail is that the first Gran Sport Chronographs came with a T Swiss Made T recto dial ( when the verso dial is always Swiss Made ), revealing the use of tritium for the luminous indexes and hands, AND giving a nice touch of warmth to the dial, due to the patina. A detail that will be appreciated by the Vintage Lovers.
 
3/ The movement.
 
Not much to add, there, as I already spoke about it, above. But this is indeed one of the important part of this watch. Unique, original, desirable.
 
4/ The strap / bracelet.
 
Both are very comfortable, undisputably.
 
It will be a matter of taste, here, when the time comes to choose between the rubber strap and the stainless steel ( or gold, if you go for the Gran Sport Chrono in gold ) bracelet.
 
As I said, the bracelet is not the one I prefer, but to be honest, I generally don't like bracelets, so my opinion is biased on that matter.
 
Let's say that the bracelet, with time passing, disturbs me less than when I discovered the watch, some 12 years ago.
 
I feel the Rubber strap is more appropriate to the purpose of the Gran Sport Chrono. And it is  like a second skin!
 
One detail which contributes a lot to the comfort, the clasp. Technical , it is composed of 52 part ( ! )
 
It will allow you to adjust the size of the bracelet or strap to 3, 9 mm on each side. Very useful, as the size of your wrist, depending of the moment of the day or the season, is not always the same.
 
 

 
5/ The case.
 
Slightly bigger and larger than a Reverso GT, it is also much thicker.
 
Those proportions were THE detail which annoyed me the most, when I discovered the watch. ( 43 mm big / 28 mm large, and 11, 5 mm high ).
 
First of all, I think that a sporty watch may be better a tad bigger. JLC showed that a bigger Reverso can also be very nice. 1 extra mm would not have been too much in lenght.
 
Then the thickness is important for such a watch, which looks a bit chunky.
 
But, with time passing, I got used to these proportions, and I feel I can live with that.
 
The sides of the case are curved, which gives some sensuality to the watch, as well as its base, for some extra comfort.
 
Once on the wrist, you are happy with its presence and comfort, and its modest size is not really a problem.

And, for once, I will also mention the yellow gold version. You know I am not a fan of colored gold watches, but, in this case, associated to the rubber strap, I find this version uber cool.

Here are the pictures to be credited to Matt Bain:

 

 
Conclusion...
 
The Gran Sport Chrono had a short 6 years life, as well as very little interest, at the moment of its production.
 
I hope I convinced you that it is not fair.
 
The Chronograph lovers will understand its originality, its merits, and will agree on the fact that it is unique.
 
I can seriously say that the sum of its horological qualities makes it belong to the category of fine or prestigious chronographs.
 
Which seemed to be expensive at the moment of its launch is now considered as affordable, not to say... Cheap.
 
A misunderstood watch, a real big deal.
 
For connoisseurs only.
 
Best,
 
Nicolas
This message has been edited by amanico on 2015-05-25 00:20:13 This message has been edited by amanico on 2015-05-26 22:49:17 This message has been edited by amanico on 2015-05-28 05:17:10


More posts: Gran SportReverso Gran SportReverso GT

  login to reply

Comments: view entire thread

 

funny...

 
 By: Tyo : May 25th, 2015-03:36
This is funny that you talk about this watch just now because, on previous saturday I was with my cousin who is looking for a new watch for her husband and I see in the same local AD where I have bought my Polaris, this Reverso (again NOS; I have already ...  

The bracelet is a big No Go for me.

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-03:42
But on its rubber strap, it is a totally different look, much more convincing, in my opinion, and according to my tastes. Give it another chance, if you find one. You will see. Best, my friend. Nicolas

As forversta explained it on next post and I forgot to mention it... the lugs... truly " w

 
 By: Tyo : May 25th, 2015-03:54
I am more in the mood of saving money to buy the Chronograph Retrograde which is on the podium for my dream watches

Jaeger Lecoultre Chronograph Retrograde

 
 By: Tyo : May 30th, 2015-05:15
another pic of the " original " one. a true heartbreaker. it's fascinating to see how Jaeger Lecoultre succeed in doing such a complicated caliber in such a small and wearable case. Same case as my Duoface. Now if we want something sexy in term of complic...  

A nice watch but I know why I didn't like it.

 
 By: foversta : May 25th, 2015-03:50
Sometimes, we have a detail which is no go and with this watch it has always been the multiple lugs on the case. I don't like this. And despite its assets, I could never change my mind. Thanks for the review. Fx

+1 on not getting enough attention !.. Also overlooked at its time

 
 By: hs111 : May 25th, 2015-05:24
.. Meanwhile times have passed, and I appreciate it much more; yet, but now its a pretty rare bird !! Actually, have started to look a bit - As the Retrograde Chrono is a cool thing & As you described, the 2 dials do not compete, but complement each other... 

With the bracelet, the central link are not bothering. But the bracelet does!

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-05:43
With the rubber strap, the Watch looks cooler. If I find a T Swiss Made T dial, I tink I will jump on it. Thanks for your feedback, hs. Nicolas

sorry...

 
 By: Tyo : May 26th, 2015-06:51
but the dial isn't a T Swiss Made T first time I tried it, both dials are very beautifull, the buttons are softs... but the bracelet.... no comment [/URL] ...  

LOL! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 26th, 2015-09:00

The lugs make it a no go ...

 
 By: nilomis : May 25th, 2015-05:25
Nicolas, The single negative that I see on this watch is the proprietary only straps. One (or should I say more) was offered to me and I could see what your means. Great wrist presence, good volume, nice complications but, being a strap addict, I prefer w... 

what a real beauty!

 
 By: RicardetCie : May 25th, 2015-06:21
Indeed I agree with you, there is so many watches in the market with no soul but a commercial success...And as far as I can remember, the non chronograph model was the only watch reversible case on the market with automatic movement... Best regards, TGV

At that time, yes, it was the only one. With reversible case.

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-06:27
With a non reversible case, you also had the GP Vintage 45. But not reversible. Best, Nicolas

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I will say...

 
 By: watchme : May 25th, 2015-07:35
that there was an awesome review done by JAW, in this very same forum, about a decade or less ago, which stated that the Reverso Chronograph Retrograde was possible the most difficult chronograph ever built by ANYONE, and that JLC lost money on every one ... 

A longer case with slimmer lugs, without central lugs would have been a plus.

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-08:03
And yes, I share your point of view, this chrono should have deserved more interest. I spoke with some guys at JLC who confirmed me that it is part of these watches which were not a Financial exit, like the... Futurematic. ;) Best, and thanks for your fee... 

Ah, you have touched upon a subject I love

 
 By: respo : May 25th, 2015-08:44
I have given this Reverso a great deal of thought over the years. I want it mainly for the movement inside, which has never received the recognition it deserves and because it is an affordable alternative to the RG Reverso Chronographe from 1996. What has... 

Yes, the first years, it came with the tritium dial. As well as the Manual Memovox, or the

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-09:10
Black Master Perpetual... Among others. I think that, for this one, we have to think " coolness " and fine horology. Not the most elegant, I agree, but not the less interesting, by far! Best, and thanks for your feedback, Respo. Nicolas

A polarizing design...

 
 By: jmpTT : May 25th, 2015-11:06
Excellent review! As the responses suggest, the Gran Sport design is not everyone's cup of tea. Non-round watches are also a niche, so it's not too surprising that the number of potential buyers was and is limited. This chronograph's unique feature, two d... 

The servicing costs.... Yes, you are absolutely right to remind us that!

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-11:29
We have a curious tendance to forget that important point. Thanks for your feedback, jmpTT. Nicolas

There's lots to like

 
 By: jml_watches : May 25th, 2015-13:27
Hi There's lots to like here - but there are also niggles which might have put you off originally. Looking back its a whole lot better watch then given credit for. I looked at its cousin the Gran Sport Automatic and discounted it for some of the same reas... 

Thank you for a great review, Nicolas!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : May 25th, 2015-14:41
When the Gran Sport collection was launched I jumped on the duo directly! Love the design and the comfort of the case. To me the Gran Sport case is still one of the most comfortable Reverso ever made. In retrospect I do wish that the lugs would allow norm...  

Yes, the price point was maybe an issue at that time.

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2015-22:07
I guess many didn't understand why... And many didn't see the sophistication of the movement. Yes, my friend, give your Gran Sport some fresh air and wrist time! And don't forget to take some pics, too! Best, Nicolas

Meat on the bone-so to speak

 
 By: golden hands : May 26th, 2015-12:01
the gold Linton numerals(1-12 Arabic numerals) with white dial-ref 295-16-20-rubber strap Stainless steel case same numerals black dial-ref 295-86-50-rubber strap Stainless steel same numerals case and bracelet white dial-295-81-20 This is the England cat... 

Thanks for your input, Golden Hands. Yes, very useful to remind the details...

 
 By: amanico : May 26th, 2015-12:06
Behind this forgotten Watch, which is not fair. Best, Nicolas

Another one on the list

 
 By: KMII : May 26th, 2015-12:53
Thanks for the excellent review of this very fascinating watch. Definitely on the shortlist for the next chronograph for me. Now if only one could have it in SS with a leather strap...

very usefull

 
 By: Tyo : May 26th, 2015-12:34
it is pleasant to get information from someone who appears to be part of the adventure , or at least is well informed. @ Amanico , this watch would be a great Tribute To

Good info, many thanks. I always thought

 
 By: Asimut : May 28th, 2015-03:46
it was Vandel that designed this movement? Cheers, Asi

Definitely one of my favorite Reversos

 
 By: Asimut : May 28th, 2015-03:43
and it is also worthwhile to mention the two dial configurations, full numerals or 3/9. I have not yet decided which I prefer although I own the 3/9 tritium dial. Maybe it's time to talk again with the original designer of this marvelous movement, Mr. Van... 

and a few of my pics,,,,

 
 By: Asimut : May 28th, 2015-03:56
...  

Superb! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : May 28th, 2015-05:11

Finally

 
 By: gup502 : May 28th, 2015-08:30
a very good review coming from Nic. As you promised to write one long time ago. Thanks!! JLC Gran sport represents part of the Reverso history. It is thick, it has to be for it is rated 50m water resistant. It looks a bit odd compared to other 'traditiona...  

Excellent owner's feedack. Very useful. And yes, it is interesting to...

 
 By: amanico : May 28th, 2015-08:53
Know how much is a service for a Watch like this. Thank you so much! Best, Nicolas

Who was the designer of the movement?

 
 By: sery.vlk : May 31st, 2015-12:10
Firstly, thank-you, Nico, for your consistent attempts to bring attention to the complicated reversos of the past ("rose gold saga"). Regarding cal. 829 (the skeletonised original version), I noticed discrepancy regarding its author: acc. to some sources,... 

I just want to show you

 
 By: Tyo : June 29th, 2015-18:29
some information I took in the 2002 catalogue, by the way I prefer the " vintage " catalogues. They are more " storytellers " than the moderns I know it is written in small print and in French, but what is important is that several pages are dedicated to ...  

Yes, that was an interesting family. And the chrono was THE jewel.

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2015-02:30
Thanks for sharing the pages of the catalogue dedicated to it, Tyo. Best, Nicolas

A last picture to show you the coolness of the yellow gold version.

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2015-02:37
The rubber strap does a lot for the coolness of the watch. With a gold bracelet, it is too much. In my opinion, at least. Best, Nicolas ...  

Definitely on my watchlist for a potential future purchase

 
 By: KMII : September 11th, 2015-03:18
There was one being sold not too far from here but I was not quick enough to try it out before it was snatched up...

You really got me hooked but

 
 By: 4Js : September 11th, 2015-03:59
All th comments about the strap replacements, turned me off. There have been some good deals out there, whether for the steel or this YG. But, I don\'t want to end up with JLC telling me wait a year for a strap, or maybe never. Then, in the end, another p... 

I have some good news for you then...

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2015-04:55
I just asked JLC to explain me what was the situation with a rubber strap replacement, just the rubber strap, not the buckle... The answer is there: The straps and bracelets are available on order. The price of a rubber strap, alone ( without the buckle )... 

Very good to know :) [nt]

 
 By: KMII : September 11th, 2015-04:59

I was interested to hunt a Gran Sport Chrono, but wanted to make that point clear...

 
 By: amanico : September 11th, 2015-05:19
Before taking any decision.... Another precision: If you want to change your bracelet for a rubber strap, then you' ll need the rubber strap, of course, but also the technical buckle. That's 5 times more expensive, sadly. Best, Nicolas