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Bernhard Lederer and CIC

 

I think most of us have heard of one of the geniuses of watchmaking - Bernhard Lederer. The guy who is behind many innovations presented by the world's best manufacturers, as well as the latest CIC - presented under his own brand - LEDERER.

 

The Central Impulse Chronometer is a system that is an evolution of Breguet's and George Daniels's approaches. The CIC features two escape wheels situated at the terminus of distinct gear trains, each equipped with its own barrel. Lederer has ingeniously redesigned the escapement functionality and architecture to ensure optimal impulses to the oscillator. Moreover, each set of escape wheels incorporates its own remontoir, a mechanism that replenishes a small spring every 10 seconds, ensuring a consistent flow of power to the escapement.

 

In comparison to conventional escapements, what distinguishes the CIC solution is its unwavering accuracy. While many classic designs may be precise under specific conditions, their accuracy tends to fluctuate with spring tension, watch position, or daily impacts. The CIC timepiece remains consistently accurate regardless of these variables, offering stability in precision under all circumstances.

 

What are your thoughts on this innovative concept and the watch itself? Do we have any proud owners of Lederer watches among us?











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Numbers backing this sentence:

 
By: fmc000 : October 4th, 2023-10:41
"In comparison to conventional escapements, what distinguishes the CIC solution is its unwavering accuracy. While many classic designs may be precise under specific conditions, their accuracy tends to fluctuate with spring tension, watch position, or dail... 

Well, the first few pieces were known to have problems working.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 4th, 2023-13:54
However, there's now at least one which is said to be running well. Hopefully, all issues have been resolved. These kind of things are very common in high-end watchmaking and usually not spoken about. I have a question about the design: The escapement req... 

What is the source of information about the problems?

 
By: El Padre : October 5th, 2023-07:53
I had the opportunity to shake this watch and it still worked perfectly. This is the whole clue of the concept. 🤔

Watchmakers with an ear to the Independent horlogy ecosystem are the source. They got to hear from owners of the first pieces.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 5th, 2023-16:05
No, a slight shake would not prove any sort of concept. I did not say the reason the first watches did not work was the problem with shock protection. The joy of a watch like this is its complexity. However, that is also more points of failure. I said tha... 

I don't believe in rumors, especially those that someone told me that someone heard...

 
By: El Padre : October 6th, 2023-11:16
I saw the watch with my own eyes, I guess you didn't. I had the opportunity to play with it, shake it, and lightly hit it, which is part of the concept. I can confirm that nothing affected the precision. I know that these watches underwent a very comprehe... 

How did you assure the precision?

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 6th, 2023-15:46
You knew that a typical timegrapher such as a Weishi won't work for this, right? And furthermore, this would only give a snapshot of the rate. I'll be interested to hear all about your well thought through methodology, which I presume involved seeing the ... 

Yeah...

 
By: El Padre : October 8th, 2023-14:49
I wouldn't want to comment on the methodology and how the watch I had the opportunity to check. You don't have to believe me, but I have spent some time with the watch 😊 You are making statements about the watch, but you haven't held it in your hands 🤔 ... 

I believe you held the watch.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 8th, 2023-20:00
I don't believe, based on your repeated statements, that you understand about the watch. Holding the watch is nice, but it hasn't led to you having knowledge about the watch.

You are right, I am not a watchmaker or mechanism creator.

 
By: El Padre : October 11th, 2023-10:50
To understand the whole concept, I had to turn to its creator - Bernhard Lederer himself, who introduced, explained, and demonstrated it to me. I understand that you did the same to understand the concept?

Sorry to step in but...

 
By: fmc000 : October 9th, 2023-08:24
... it's not a metter of believing in you or not. In general, when a person (or a company) makes a bold statement about something that has been proved working for years or even decades or centuries and they say that they created something better it's up t... 

My experience is that Rolex has been consistently the most accurate out of the box day in and day out.

 
By: jp884 : October 4th, 2023-16:28
So I gave up a long time ago trying to find and purchase a "chronometer" watch that runs spot on. It should just be buy it if you like it, and are willing to drop the cashola for it. One was offered to me last year by my dealer but I just was not attracte... 

Yes, Rolex oozes quality

 
By: Cozmopak : October 6th, 2023-16:22
They are probably the best mass produced product of any type in the history of the world

1000% agree

 
By: andrea~ : October 6th, 2023-16:29
The independent cool factor is unarguable, but nothing beats Rolex when it comes to making reliable and accurate timekeepers.

ah... understand now...

 
By: El Padre : October 5th, 2023-07:48
I don't know if anyone independent verified it. Anyway, you brought up a very interesting point!