A watch (sadly) much maligned...

Jul 15, 2018,08:00 AM
 

Friends;


I'm curious to know whether or not you have sympathy for my position: The Citizen Signature Grand Touring (NB0070-57E) pictured below was roundly ridiculed when introduced in 2013. I won't call attention to any particular review, but many were brutally critical of it's tip of the hat to Panerai. Was this any more a tip of the hat than Montblanc's introduction of the Heritage Chronometrie Ultra Slim? That watch mimics the long-revered JLC just as shamelessly. And there are literally countless other examples that could be listed. Why beat up on the Japanese? We have our suspicions, and they are not nice ones.

I own this watch and replied to a post just today singing the praises of its Miyota 9015 movement—which starts up with the slightest motion of the rotor, and has kept time from the moment it first ran with an accuracy of ~1-2 spd. Here, I'd like to laud more of the CSGT's positive points, for I feel it important for those of us with slim pocketbooks to take heart in the fact that the horological landscape has become so competitive in recent years that we, too, can own pieces of remarkable design, reliability, and accuracy.

The CSGT does bear a strong resemblance to its Italian cousin, granted. But as one who has tried on a number of Panerai pieces, I must say it is nothing like one! (Nor, for that matter, is my Montblanc anything like the JLC that inspired it.) You may deplore this industry-wide copying of well-proven designs—fair enough. But as it does exist industry-wide I think we should agree that the CSGT was unfairly singled out as a copycat. In point of fact, it is a fine watch.

The case is an impressive chunk of stainless steel; the domed sapphire crystal looks thick, and inviting; the polished, applied indices catch every stray light beam; and its bold hands assure that you will never have to second guess what time it is. Though a relatively large piece, the watch sits quite comfortable on my 7.25 in. (18.4 cm.) wrist. The lume is OK (many watch's lume is merely OK if one expects it to last a long long time) and the movement—protected to 20 atm—I've already commented on. 

This is not a Rolex. This is not a Panerai. But it is a good watch. It keeps more accurate—and more importantly, more consistent—time than my most expensive, ~$5-6K, pieces. It is VERY easy to read. It is comfortable. If one had the pockets deep enough to afford a movement made by hand… what a dream! But a dream, alas, for many of us. Since the time of all the bad press to which I refer, five important years have passed. One can't say there has not been additional criticism leveled at major manufactures during that time—Montblanc's Meisterstuck Heritage Perpetual Calendar brought praise from some quarters, and ridicule from others—but it seems to me the vitriol has dropped off consideably. Perhaps this is due in part to the massive amount of reintroduction of older designs by major companies in an effort to shore up profit margins. Some have been more successful than others. But can we say that any really compare to the originals? They are shiny new things, albeit with in some cases with more robust movements. Hopefully reviewers will get off their high horses and get to important matters--wear the watches they review for a period of time, to see how they really perform. All of this rushrushrush of publishing deadlines does us all a disservice.

I'm afraid it's too late for the CSGT, though. I don't think sales of the watch ever hit expected targets. And imho the outcry over the audacity of the Japanese to strongly hint at a European design sharply suppressed enthusiast acceptance. A great watch, though. I think I'll let it keep me company as I watch Croatia/France. It's just beefy enough to take it.

Thanks in advance for your comments. All best, FH







The polished bevel that follows the perimeter of the cushion outline is a nice detail on this largely brushed case.






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A watch (sadly) much maligned...

 
 By: halgedahl : July 15th, 2018-08:00
Friends; I'm curious to know whether or not you have sympathy for my position: The Citizen Signature Grand Touring (NB0070-57E) pictured below was roundly ridiculed when introduced in 2013. I won't call attention to any particular review, but many were br...

I'm still trying to figure out where this "thing" and a Panerai have something in common.....

 
 By: sergio : July 15th, 2018-08:12
and what make you refer to this "thing" as a cousin of one...LOLLL

A class-less response.

 
 By: dannymc : July 15th, 2018-08:29
A disappointing reply from someone who should know better. Panerai is a hugely flawed brand itself and is guilty of many 'dirty' tricks to sell watches and increase profit margin. In fact, Panerai could easily be ridiculed by those from a much higher pric...

And if I don't agree with YOUR post?

 
 By: sergio : July 15th, 2018-08:51
You want to...put me in my place...why? I am entitled to both an opinion and my personal way of expressing it. You don't agree? Tough luck!!! And it ends here

Easy, boys! I took no offense. There's room for differing opinion, here. The case shape

 
 By: halgedahl : July 15th, 2018-10:18
was sharply criticized (I think the crown guard may have been the main bone of contention). And we're all cousins, in my view. Thanks, all, for your replies. FH

There was no intention to offend....

 
 By: sergio : July 16th, 2018-07:00
I don't like people that disrespect the...original writer...by defending him from alleged attacks The crown guard on your watch makes it a..cousin..of a cheap Chinese knock off, not a Panerai. Your Citizen doesn't offend my sense of esthetic, doesn't go a...

I 've

 
 By: Seamaster2254 : July 15th, 2018-10:07
Always liked this Citizen Signature. Not everyone has € 6000,00 to spend on a Panerai that not even comes on a high-end steel bracelet with a high-end clasp. That is why this Citizen and also Steinhart for example has their place in the world of horology....

Many thanks. It's not so much that you "agree" with my position, but that you emphasize inclusiveness.

 
 By: halgedahl : July 15th, 2018-10:22
We need that attitude today in all matters—horological, social, and political.

The truth

 
 By: Seamaster2254 : July 15th, 2018-10:34
Thanks man. And yes, you are 100% right.

While i am not a mod.. and i am in a good mood now because i didnt bet 2 goal and under for final game..

 
 By: Teacher Yang : July 15th, 2018-10:42
I think everyone should cool down first before posting further comments. The use of this word "shamelessly" in the post doesnt really sound right to me and the first three comments above were harsh too.