Tianjin Sea-Gull ST7 automatic (1970s--quite rare)

Sep 11, 2009,23:43 PM
 

An EMS package arrived yesterday morning from a newer Taobao contact and I am now the very proud owner of a quite rare Tianjin Sea-Gull 28 jewel day/date auto ST7 from roughly 1975 or so, and obviously strongly influenced in appearance by the ever (and justifiably) popular Rolex date-just models, although the the clear "made in China" labelling, prominent Sea-Gull logo and hanzi lettering and date clearly show this was not an attempt to produce a fake .

The Sea-Gull ST7 quick-set day-date automatic movement was a largely unrecognized high point in 1970s PRC watch engineering, a first class movement with micrometer regulation...that could not find a market: At the time this watch was produced, the Chinese either couldn't afford it or, if they could, were more interested in the growing influx of cheaper or flashier, and often quartz, watches from outside China--and (since PRC China had been essentially closed to westerners) export market customers were not aware of the high capacity for quality PRC Chinese manufacturers offered and so would not venture the higher price required to make large-scale production of the ST7 possible.

Consequently, fewer than 3500 of these prototypical beauties were made. This example runs less than three seconds out per day, more than 30 years after it was built and with no known regulating. Unfortunately, the movement is no longer produced.

Tianjin Sea-Gull ST7 dial

The dial is marked "29 Jewels" but--as is actually correct with these pieces--the rotor is marked "Tianjin ST7 28 Zuan" and the movement itself is also marked with the Sea-Gull logo and "ST7 28 Zuan". The movement is easily capable of chronometer-like performance, and it's very solid and robust. From the Chinese Watch Industry Wiki: "The movement design showed some ETA/Eterna inspiration, and the micrometer regulator suggests the kind of accuracy that was expected of it."

I decided to take these first 3 photos at work yesterday just so I could show the thing. It would have been here in Alberta at the AMCH/PR much sooner but there was an early screw-up with the shipment and it got returned to China...but: 2nd time lucky, and my patience has been rewarded. 

Sea-Gull ST7 caseback

Se-Gull ST7 movement

I've now worn it over 30 hours and--as I note above--it's keeping time within 3 seconds per day, and since the thing started ticking as soon as I picked out of the box, I haven't had to wind it.

These next shots were taken later last evening...they maybe aren't so much better, but they do show the movement etching more clearly:

Sea-Gull ST7 dial

Sea-Gull St7 movement

Tianjin/Sea-Gull has grown substantially since those early days and is now manufacturing at least 1/4 of the world's mechanical and automatic watch movements, providing complete movements and ebauches to manufacturers around the world, including Switzerland.
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What can it tell us?

 
 By: ling5hk : September 12th, 2009-00:21
Such a rough and undecorated movement runs with such accuracy. Regards Ling

It might tell us...

 
 By: AlbertaTime : September 12th, 2009-01:15
...that good basic engineering and design coupled with appropriate part specific finishing (gears, jewels, springs) is more important to accuracy than overall fancy finishing. There's nothing rough about the gears or the micrometer, for example, in the ST... 

Not to forget their Tourbillon

 
 By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : September 17th, 2009-23:19
Man, I was tempted to buy seagull tourbillon (Model ST8007SA) when I was in china. Their tourbillon are awesome although the west criticized that their finishing is bad but I guess they are just trying to find fault and trying too hard to justify their ri... 

Another gem, thanks! especially for your

 
 By: SteveG : September 12th, 2009-05:58
comments on the Chinese design and production of mid-grade movements.

Thanks for sharing!

 
 By: dxboon : September 12th, 2009-21:07
It is very interesting to learn more about Chinese timepieces. Do you also collect modern Sea-Gull watches? If so, it would be educational to see a comparison between a vintage model and its modern iteration. Enjoy your new acquisition! Cheers, Daos

Thanks Daos...

 
 By: AlbertaTime : September 13th, 2009-04:35
I have a newer model on the way--the Sea-Gull M185SP, which is a classic three hander with hanzi day and numeric date, containing the ST16 movement, which movement is evidently the ebauche for the Claro-Semag 888, and I also own the re-issue of the 1963 C... 

It is only a matter of Time...

 
 By: justpen : September 13th, 2009-02:08
Hi Alberta, Yesterday I got home from another month in China... that makes almost 4 months this year and any spare moment was spent trawling the suburban watch shops looking at secondhand watches and new Chinese watches. There are plenty of traditional cl... 

Well said Jack, eventually!

 
 By: Kong : September 13th, 2009-09:54
As the technical fundamental is already correct, China just needs to decorate the movements. Not forgetting China has the human capacity & capabilities in all the crafts. The main hurdle is the perception issue. Just one day! Kong

great info. as a lover of the unusual this is my kind of thing

 
 By: G99 : September 13th, 2009-14:28
i have a sea-gull 1963 military chrono re issue which runs very well. i've looked at lots of 70's sea-gulls on the web, but dont really know the best ones so havent bought any. this looks like a gem to look out for. thanks again Graham

Graham, the ST7 is certainly one to look for...

 
 By: AlbertaTime : September 13th, 2009-15:28
...but they're somewhat difficult to find. Quite a bit easier to find on the usual major online auction sites are the ST5 models (The most desirable mechanicals have a nicely hand decorated movement as shown below). I own 3 watches with ST5 19 jewel mecha...  

more sea-gulls

 
 By: gigfy : September 13th, 2009-17:36
Hi Guys, First post on watchprosite. I also have the 3 Sea-Gulls that AlbertaTime posted. Here is one of my favorites. A modern Sea-Gull M177s with ST16 movement. And here is a special Sea-Gull given out to the Antarctica explorers for the inaugural 1984 ...  

forgot about this one....

 
 By: gigfy : September 13th, 2009-17:49
got to photograph this one .. not mine. Sea-Gull ST8007SA tourbillon. cheers, gigfy...  

excellent info thanks Gigfy. i'm...

 
 By: G99 : September 14th, 2009-01:19
excellent info thanks Gigfy. i'm personally very interested in the shanghai watch companies modern pieces which are superb quality. there have been some posts in the past and they are very hard to purchase. cash on the nail at the factory rather than cred... 

Shanghai & Beijing ....

 
 By: gigfy : September 14th, 2009-04:40
Yes, some of the modern Shanghai watches are very nice. I have a watch with Shanghai automatic chronograph movement that I like very much. But I've not had much luck with some of their modern "affordable" watches labeled as SWI (Shanghai Watch Industry). ...