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Robert65's experience with the Patek Philippe Ref. 5170J chronograph offers a compelling reminder that online perceptions can dramatically differ from real-world encounters. His journey from dismissing the yellow gold pulsation dial variant to being captivated by its elegance highlights the importance of hands-on experience in luxury watch collecting. This article explores how a physical interaction can reshape long-held opinions, even for a seasoned collector.
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Having only researched online, the 5170 variant I thought I would find least desirable was the yellow gold (J) with Roman numerals and Pulsation dial. I rarely have the opportunity to visit a Patek AD, and never physically held a 5170 in my hands. I'd seen endless youtube comparison videos of 5170s and picture articles. Chrono24 and grey market sites consistently show that the 5170J Pulsation dial fetched the least resale value. Highest resale value was the platinum, then the R black dial Breguet, then G black dial Breguet, then R white dial Breguet, then G white dial Breguet and so on. I've seen many wrist shots of all the 5170 varieties and had decided that my choice to wear with a suit or smarter attire would be the 5170R or 5170G (white) with clean, open dial and applied breguet numerals. I imagined that traditional Calatrava inspired dial would be most elegant and understated. In my mind, the J Pulsation was not even worth looking at.
Yesterday morning, I took a special diversion to the Patek AD in Lagoona Mall Doha. I did not know what they would have in stock. I asked if they had a 5170 available. He went into the back room and a moment later the salesman reappeared with a velvet covered tray and started unwrapping the protective plastic which surrounded the case. As he unwrapped it I could see it was yellow gold. Then he laid a 5170J gently in front of me. I held a 5170 for the first time. It was the only 5170 in stock and it was the 5170J Pulsation dial. I was stunned with its beauty, elegance, and classic presence. I didn't think, "Hmm, not as bad as I thought." Truth is, the presence of that 5170J Pulsation dial watch made me forget that other variants of the 5170 existed. That watch was sophisticated and commanding. I asked for and was presented with a loupe to go over the dial, case and movement. Having recently held and loupe-inspected an early model Lange 1815 Chrono and Lange Dato - I was no less impressed with the close up finishing of the 5170J.
It's funny how picky I become when I'm online when nothing is at stake. It's a testament to Patek Philippe design and execution that even the 5170 variant I thought I would least prefer left me stunned in appreciation.
The Chronograph reference 5170, introduced in 2010, marked a significant development for Patek Philippe as it was the first serially produced chronograph to feature a fully in-house manufactured movement. This reference succeeded the reference 5070, transitioning from a Lemania-based caliber to a proprietary design, underscoring the brand's commitment to integrated manufacturing for its complications. It represents a modern interpretation of a classic chronograph layout within the Patek Philippe catalog.
The reference 5170 features a case measuring 39.4 mm in diameter and 10.9 mm in thickness, available in 18k white, rose, or yellow gold. It is equipped with the manual-winding caliber CH 29-535 PS, which offers a power reserve of 65 hours. The watch is fitted with a sapphire crystal and is water-resistant to 30 meters. The movement is visible through a sapphire case back, showcasing its intricate finishing.
This reference appeals to collectors seeking a contemporary Patek Philippe chronograph with an in-house movement. Early variants, such as the yellow gold reference 5170J-001, featured a pulsometer scale, which was later replaced by a minute track on subsequent iterations. The various metal options and dial configurations provide distinct aesthetic choices for collectors, reflecting different periods of its production run.
Or not. So, did you take it? Best, Nicolas
There is no doubt that this watch, including its variations, is an incredible beautiful superb watch. But, there is always a but, it is no longer without competition. There are others like ALS that have come up with similar watches at same high level. So indeed wondering if yo7 got it or not
Beautiful and very smart on you
Had always thought this version the least desirable, until only *very* recently handling one, and, just like you, realizing A. It is a brilliant watch B. My online-photo-based preferences are bunk.
Yes, I certainly get full of myself watching Patek vs Lange vs fill-in-the-high end watch house. As if I could just walk in and buy one like I am comparing televisions at big box stores. The 5170 references are all beautiful and represent an outrageously decadent lifestyle that I secretly aspire to but don’t actually live up to. It took me 10 years to build up the courage and savings to acquire my 5712/1A. I wear it twice per month🤨
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