Daniel Roth Classic Small Seconds 207/L.30.011.CN.BA

Rosneathian · 2021-05-06T16:46:21Z

Explore the Daniel Roth Classic Small Seconds ref. 207/L.30.011.CN.BA. Rosneathian's collector insights on market trends, historical phases, and valuation.

Rosneathian

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Rosneathian, a dedicated collector of Daniel Roth timepieces, shares an in-depth look at his Daniel Roth Classic Small Seconds ref. 207/L.30.011.CN.BA. This article delves into the nuances of collecting Daniel Roth watches, offering insights into their historical context, market valuation, and the distinct 'phases' of the brand's evolution. Rosneathian's personal journey provides a valuable perspective for both seasoned enthusiasts and those new to the independent watchmaking scene.

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18K rose gold

Calibre: JLC 891

36 jewels, 28,800 A/h

Certified chronometer

1999

This is the third of my mini collection of Daniel Roths. I'm working my way backwards for the most part, based on availability and personal tastes. First was the Bvlgari period Ellipsocurvex Moonphase ref. 368.X.60.161.CN.BA. The Datomax ref. 208.L.40.11.CN.BA from 2002 followed. Then this Small Seconds from 1999. I say "for the most part" because some of the Bvlgari period watches stand on their own (I'm thinking of the 15-piece, gold-detailed Athys of 2004, the Athys III of 2007, and the Athys Lunar from 2009).

A few of his prized early works are available at auction (in addition to directly from private collections and less frequently on the open market). Whereas it was a case of tumbleweeds even five years ago, realised auction prices have increased noticeably in recent years. That said, in many cases sums have yet to match original MSRPs of 20+ years ago, as far as I can tell. This may or may not be an indication that the references in question are still undervalued. Fellow WPS members might have additional insights on this point.

While I personally like mine, I think they probably rank in the middle tier somewhere, and not quite at the ethereal level of the man's own finest work. That's where I'm headed next.

Key Points from the Discussion

The early period of Daniel Roth, specifically 1989-1994, is widely considered the brand's 'magically high water mark,' with Daniel Roth himself designing approximately ten watch types during these foundational years.
While the early works are highly prized, some references produced under The Hour Glass and Bvlgari ownership successfully maintained Daniel Roth's core design principles of balance, proportion, depth, and finishing, challenging the notion of a complete decline after 1994.
Collecting Daniel Roth involves reconstructing the catalogue chronologically, which can be challenging as even former owners like THG and Bvlgari may not possess complete records.
Realized auction prices for Daniel Roth watches have noticeably increased in recent years, though in many cases, they have yet to match original MSRPs from over two decades ago, suggesting potential undervaluation.
The L series cases (35mm x 38mm) are particularly favored by some collectors for their design and wearability.
Independent watch repair outfits with certified watchmakers, especially those servicing major brands and auction houses like Christies, are a viable option for servicing Daniel Roth timepieces.

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Rosneathian

May 6, 2021

Personally, however, I use an independent watch repair outfit. I live in a large city where they've operated for more than 50 years with certified watch repairers for most major brands. They count Christies among their clients, who use them to service and restore timepieces prior to auction. Hope this helps.

Watchonthewrist

May 6, 2021

Like you i am also on the hunt to try to add a early masterpiece from the master watchmaker himself. Till then i am happy to have these 3 great watches

Rosneathian

May 6, 2021

Much has been said of the 'phases' of M. Roth's work. There is his peerless early output, but I also find that some of the references produced under the ownership of The Hour Glass and Bvlgari did a decent job of adhering to his codes: balance, proportion, depth, finishing, etc. Did it become diffuse and uneven? Yes. But it would be uncharitable and inaccurate to argue that it was all decline and fall after 1994.

Rosneathian

May 6, 2021

Joking of course. One of the pleasures of life right now is to delve deep into Daniel Roth, to meet and converse with experienced collectors and writers, to research the lineage, to compile records of references, and to quietly follow social media posts from fellow enthusiasts. I know what I would like next, and have put out feelers. How are you fairing in your bid to add? Best regards.

Horo_Traveler

May 7, 2021

I have thought of getting one for years. Can these still be serviced by Bvlgari?

Watchonthewrist

May 7, 2021

But a beautiful chrono will do also 😉. Lets see what will cross my path in the future 🤷🏻‍♂️

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