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I'm not disagreeing with the specific issues raised about dilution...
which has residual effects of diluting resources and focus.
On the other hand, as per BDLJ's comments, if Cayenne's and Panamera's profitability (and they ARE profitable - not just contributing mightily to revenue, but also to PROFITS) can help development of the next 911 (or Aventador)
AND
the product development strategists don't lose sight of the "core DNA" (whatever that is) - one could argue $100,000 base Porsche's have already strayed from a reliable sports car "for the people..."
Then I will keep my grumbling to myself.
But that said, the LM-002 was one hell of a Mo-Fo badass all terrain vehicle (SUV wasn't coined then) and the Espada was a big comfy four passenger conveyance, so it wasn't always ultra extreme bleeding edge hyper cars like the Miura, Countach, and Diablo. In fact, Lamborghini started out as GT car maker...and before that, a tractor maker.
So how far back does "DNA" remain vital and relevant? and how narrowly is the genome defined? (answer: usually as far back as the person discussing it finds it convenient to support their POV...)
Interestingly, the CEO of McLaren has been quoted as saying, "we are a racing and sports car company..."
Cheers,
TM
Lamborghini Urus – The SUV Super Athlete
Press Release Lamborghini Urus – The SUV Super Athlete Lamborghini presents SUV concept vehicle with extreme performance Unique, powerfully dynamic design, interior with carbon fiber innovations such as Forged Composite® Breathtaking dynamics thanks to 44...
CO2 emissions question
Hi, The press text says: "best in class CO2 figure among the competition" . So one simple question: will it beat the Mercedes ML 250 CDI 168g/km? If not it is not the best in class? Thanks Dje
perhaps "class" is being defined differently?
diesel vs gasoline? ultra performance vs slow and plodding (albeit ultra reliable?) I dont know, just guessing. TM
Simply breathtaking...
... Anybody out there who owns or has been driving the. LM002? One of my biggest moments was to try a Porche Carrera RSR from 1973/74. Best Hans
? the LM002 was a very serious off road vehicle...
that, for better or worse, heralded before it's time the rise of the SUV and SAV, as replacements or alternatives for minivans and station wagons in urban environments. Most went to the Gulf states, though some very well kept specimen are still in enthusi...
It was in reference to some of the more famous customers....
I remember seeing somewhere that Quadaffi bought quite a bunch of them. Uday Hussain's got blown-up as a IED test in 2004, according to google. A
Most went to those areas because of...
Hi Aaron, Both the Humvee (the original "H-1" and not the cheesy soccer mom Hummer H-2's and H-3's) and the Lambo LM002 started production around the same time in the mid-80's. The LM002 had legit offroad credibility due to it's suspension and engine perf...
I have had one Hans long time ago but it had to be sold...
To finance part of my Miura. I enjoyed driving it in town , i believe it is the best city car i ever had, it also has the big advantage that no wheel clamps fit on it! On the motorway it used to " colonise" more than one line at 200. I enjoyed it but i dr...
I understand you on that ..
... I would have done exactly the same.. But do you have any pictures or driving report on the old offroader ;-) Best Hans
I should have pictures in a box somewhere..
When i do install my office in the house, i will try sorting them out and scanning them.i had to priorise the rooms to install first...and mines were not first on list! Cheers. Luc
I understand you on that ..
... I would have done exactly the same.. But do you have any pictures or driving report on the old offroader ;-) Best Hans
thanks, Ed! cant wait to see and ride / drive one!
the Jeep Hemi SRT was wicked fun, I can only imagine what the Urus can do! thanks, Ed, a nice premier here on PPro!
And thanks to our friends at Automobili Lamborghini for the exclusive
A great way to start our Automotive forum. Can't wait to test one out. Regards, ED-209...
Without getting into...
...the substitution of 'forged' for the far more mundane 'moulded', it make me smile to see that method being used for seat structures and the 'trellis' console. Bizarre.
Does it have built in bluetooth? LOL
Maybe time to upgrade that G Wagon LOL. Regards, ED-209
It might make a cool addition to your MB!
I wonder how this new Lambo Urus would do in the deserts of the UAE? Regards, ED-209
Poor Lambo and Porsche must be under heavy parent company pressure to dilute
their offering. I think this will do damage to them in the long term. I mean seriously, Lambo knows about off road like how Land Rover knows about super cars.
Difficult issue - Sales of SUVs
While I am definitely no fan of SUVs and find the idea of 'high-performance' ones slightly ludicrous, I can't ignore the fact that something approaching 50% of Porsche's sales in the US are of the Cayenne. 911's accounted for another 20%, the Boxster 6%, ...
It's the weather...
I only wish the entire world is as mild as southern California where a staggering percentage of world-wide 911 sales occur. But here in the upper midwest we have four seasons and two of them don't welcome low-slung sports cars very well-- winter and sprin...
Totally agree... just looks like a bodykitted Evoque. Ask Why?
I think many of these luxury labels need to stop for a second and think "Why?". "What value can we add in this sector?". From what I can see a lot of these brands seem to just be trying to cash in on the next "big thing" compromising their brand "DNA" and...
I'm not disagreeing with the specific issues raised about dilution...
which has residual effects of diluting resources and focus. On the other hand, as per BDLJ's comments, if Cayenne's and Panamera's profitability (and they ARE profitable - not just contributing mightily to revenue, but also to PROFITS) can help developmen...
Level and Quality of Infrastructure...
around the world varies aswell as the level of maintenance local councils and governments provide, I can argue in many countries around the world people who can afford exotics have no place to really enjoy them, I've smashed exotics in potholes which bent...
Mercedes SLC as well?!
Porsche Cayun? Mercedes SLC? Lamborghini Urus? Bentley SUV? Not wanting to turn the conversation away from the Lamborghini but... wow. Aren't these firms starting to deliberately lose their niche? They managed to fund the Aventador without the Urus. Ferra...
The question remains
Why would someone need an SUV with such performance,Is it still an SUV?? Best, Ahmed