A. Lange & Söhne

Watch world is messed up. Such an under appreciated is chasing the hype of steel patek nautilus and Rolex and paying crazy money for these are paying almost $100K for the 5980A if you add another $10k you can get a new Zeitwerk and a platinum Datograph ...  

But please, I hope Lange continues to be under appreciated ! I have two and no intention to sell . Also congrats on the Zeitwerk, a truly amazing watch! Have you seen the new Z Date? It may very well be my next purchase...

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I hope they will stay as is. And if you don't sell your watches, who cares? In the long run, I have not one Lange watch which lost on it's initial purchase value.... again pure hypothetical as none will be sold So let's enjoy the quality of watches instea... 

To the extent that it doesn’t make any sense anymore. It is a great time to buy beautifully complicated watches from many other brands at unbelievably low prices. The Rolex and Nautilus craziness just keeps going and going, but there is an important sayin... 

Hypes can also make an entire industry and break it as well. In the long run, all of our watches — Langes included — may be 17th century Dutch tulips. Enjoy them nonetheless!

The SS mania really covers up the over all weak watch market as is suggested in this thread.

Best, mahesh.,

Best, Zsolt.

Interested to hear you expand on what measure do you think Lange is overrated? Is it finishing, production numbers, innovation, design, heritage or something else? In those categories, which brands do you think exceed Lange?

Okay, first , Lange has only two case designs , so no innovation there . The finishing is nice , but the “ German Silver “ is a much softer metal than brass, so it’s much easier to work with ,also because of this softness the movements are not temperature... 

There is quite a bit to unpack there. Also, so much room for interpretation—I think in the end—the buyer will have to make up their own mind—as it should be. The arguments put forth below, are not to argue that Lange is “better” but just to offer the coun... 

and expressed your points/perspectives . However I think that some of my points have been misunderstood . What you mentioned as It's not in Lange's tradition, today its more like a weakness . Virtually every brand that plays in the big ligue has to have a... 

I think it is quite an assumption, and one you may want to rethink, that Lange wants to and should compete against Rolex or Patek. They precisely don't want to do that IMHO. As such I also simply don't understand your logic that because a brand does not h... 

I'm afraid I also have a divergent view and mostly agree with Galt. The problem in your argument is that you are comparing very different animals with different goals and constraints. It's a bit like arguing that BMW or Audi is better than Porsche or Ferr... 

The point I was making in the original post was that when people compare Lange to Patek , I feel that they’re incomparable, because they have different goals, so when someone states that Lange is at the same level as Patek , I feel that they’re wrong , be... 

Where I still disagree though, is that if you compare Lange on a model to model basis with Patek, they hold their own very well. For example, take the chronos. Datograph vs 5172. The Dato is slightly thicker, but the same diameter. I think one can easily ... 

The Dato was thick , it was wobbling on my wrist and never kept a steady time (all Lange’s are prone to temperature deviation) and the little details like numerals , proportions... the Patek wins in my book . But also you can see a review on HODINKEE, abo... 

About this temperature deviation thing.. is it substantiated with actual data or you are basing it on your experience with the Dato you owned? I’ve owned a couple Lange’s and they were by far the most accurate watches I’ve owned at +\- 1 second per day an... 

And after experiencing this deviation I approached Alkis, who at the time was in charge of the Lange service center in U.S. He explained me the whole phenomenon . This also was reinforced by the lead watchmaker at Wempe . That’s why you don’t see on the L... 

Regarding your statement that German silver is more prone to temperature change than brass affecting its accuracy. For any horological questions I always reach out to Jack Forster whom I have to credit for his indispensable horological knowledge - Jacks p... 

But he’s just like us a human ... I didn’t bashed Lange in any way I just said that it can’t be compared to Patek because Patek, as a brand is way more superior has more variety and more diversity as Lange . About the accuracy what Jack told it sounds goo... 

I think I see where you are coming from. Personally I would compare the 5170 to the 1815 Chronograph rather than the Datograph because the Datograph has the big date feature which makes the watch thicker. The 1815 Chrono is actually thinner than the 5170 ... 

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i think Lange and VC are both under appreciated - VC more so where it’s almost always dismissed. Both brands represent the very best of their respective styles and easily beat the competition. Unfortunately , the hype over PP SS models and professional Ro... 

Zeitwerk is one of the best!

Lest we forget that the Nautilus is more than a timepiece. It is a badge of honour, a status symbol. The grey market price is a reflection of increased demand from speculators/status seekers and not collectors per se. There is no logic to the Nautilus’s s... 

I would def go for a ALS all day . Would love to strap one on the wrist in the near future