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continuous innovation Vs. continuous perfection
What do you/we prefer?
To unable the hour gongs only or the quarter gongs only is to ask for a bit too much, IMO, haha! Me, i just wish the Striking Time was 2mm smaller. Then it would be the perfect discrete companion to contemplate the passing of Time.
Honestly, i am scared somehow when i read certain comments here and elsewhere asking for innovation all the time... Come on! We all love Lange for one thing: its PERFECTION. Other prestigious brands feel the urge to come with something revolutionalry each year and they end up loosing their roots and their classicism. The effort and investment needed to develop a new movement and a new model is huge at this level of quality. It must be very very very well thought of. Diverting the efforts towards more and more NOVELTY all the time would be extremely dangerous for the Brand. So we Lange lovers and collectors let's not put too much pressure on the guys... PLEASE.
I much prefer to be able to pick on the existing models trusting that i will always find the BEST quality in the entire world (as i have so far...) rather than hope for revolutionary innovations all the time. Some innovations that are truly unique like the PLM fusee & chain system are fascinating and wonderful because they are classic and NOT FLASHY, but others look too much daringly oriented towards catching newer segments of the public, and that, honestly, SCARES ME TO DEATH.
We don't need another Zenith, or Blancpain, or even Patek...
Lange should remain "Innovation within Tradition". Full stop. More so than the other way around (the "Tradition of Innovation").
I really hope they don't loose this track, which is what most of the other great brands have been doing lately. Examples come to the mind by the dozens. I have abandonned those brands and refugiated in Glashütte hoping to be able to stay there safely protected against the fashion winds, and free to enjoy truly "TIMELESS timepieces" and pass them to the next generation (not a Patek idea, an enduring reality)...
BW,
Fred
Is that it???????
Well,where to start?A rather disappointing year I suppose..I was expecting news yesterday and the day before but apparently that s it!These are the ALaS novelties for 2011. Maybe we were spoiled last year with a huge new lineup(Daymatic,ZW phantom,saxonia...
Not only you Mo.......
I guess i am in total symphaty and empathy with you as well. What does Lange think it is doing? To be disappointed is an understatement, i would be mad! The RL PLM Tourbillon is courageous, and probably one of the best finished tourbillons on the market, ...
And you are right....
you own one of Langes milestones,no doubt....it s amazing how they can produce gems like yours (or others I like.....)and then loose their control like this year....Lange has a very hot torch to carry,they position themselves as top of the top,,and maybe ...
Yes bro!
Long long long live the KING! He is still the one that I am so proud to be an owner of. One that shall never leave the grasps of me and my family. I think i shall walk down the aisle on this one! Cheers Stephen...
Same here guys...
I feel a bit disappointed... the striking time had my heart beating for a while, until I discovered it's not a repeater, and not a grand sonnerie... The rest of the updates are uninspiring. I do however welcome the Saxonia Thin... It's doesn't interest me...
You are right,safe wallet this year..
because there is nothing to buy...... Someone saidthat all that calm before SIHH ,no prewiews,no excitement,no news....was the calm before the storm...well it was the calm before...the calm.... Andrew asked what were the expectations for this SIHH,and i s...
Saxonia Thin
Out of all the new models I can really see myself buying this, simply due to the fact that a super-thin watch is so much more comfortable to wear with business attire. Would love to see movement shots.
Confirmed: It's not a sonnerie, it's a simple striker
So at 10 o'clock, for example, it strikes once, automatically, on the hours hammer. It doesn't strike 10 times, like a sonnerie would. It's quite a simple complication really, although the quarter hours striking is a little more complicated.
There you go....
I was optimistic to call it "petite"...even worse really...bad debut for Lange in the striking world......A honest alarm would have been much better.... Mo
Mo, you surely hit the nail
I am not disappoint to the same degree. However I sense Lange have a tough act to follow after the Datograph. Not counting the historical model of L1, Turbograph and the 1815. IMHO to this day the Datograph still represent the peak of Lange. Of course the...
Hear Hear
love the compario between U2 and Lange. thanks for sharing your thoughts. well said, and the more logical it becomes as i ponder. just a few points on U2, and i gather you are likeise fan, you correctly pointed out that Jpshua Tree was the peak in 87, and...
Get your point Tyler...
but I am only judging this year s production...not lange as a Brand ,,it is still the best finish/quality on the maket to me...my consideration was just about the poorness of this year s models......probably we have been spoilt by Lange ans we always expe...
Too much fireworks will an eye sour and neck pain.
I do share your view on SIHH 2011 Lange offering. I also accept that constantly topping of previous triumph is not possible. I am not pessimist but a realist who look of the brighter side of things. BTW your DB25 is bugging me. I sense it want to be on my...
It is all in BEST order ! ...
I find the novelties this year quite o.k. : 1 Ueber- watch RL PLM Tourbi ---> but sadly out of reach for the "mortals". 1 Saxonia auto with a new movement in 38.5 mm, 7.8 mm (quite thin!) and 72 h (!) power reserve. 1 Saxonia in 40 mm ( :-/ or even :-( &n...
Yes, very disappointing
I agree with the disappointment in order expressed in almost of all these posts (as I wrote, a few minutes after Lange's "novelties" announcement on monday). I am going to do my big purchase this year (6-8 months) and I was really hoping to see something ...
One thing is not "correct": the name for RL PLM Tourbi as it is more looking like a ...
Saxonia! Have a look again Richard and you will see the bezel design makes it more look like a Saxonia than a RL. But the concept of the Saxonia as a modest, prudent watch line speaks a bit against it ... Still: Happy days at Lange! Regards Moritz
Well Count..
sincerely would you buy the new Zw? or would you choose the original one....lets face it its Lange s frst dip into striking watches ...would you have expected this?Sincerely I didn t.......A bitter taste in my mouth...Noone here doubts the Lange ability t...
Nothing in Honey Gold! The price for the ZW Striking Time is a very, very "modest"...
... Euro 92k for the platinum one and something like 75k for the WG one but not sure about this one as I can't find the WG one at the mo. But surely Euro 92k for the platinum. A nother note: nothing in honey gold! I reckon it will be only reserved for ann...
Well not cheap ...
as you compared with PP i thought....we cannot compare a striking en passant with a repeater from PP or with a sonnerie.....the complication is much more simple.....30k+ more for the Pt compared to the normal Zw is an awful lot I think..... Mo
Let us be parctical and honest: 12:59 on the MR watch ...
... is nothing that we will notice "by the way". We would have to focus and count carefully. The "by the way" watch from Lange is much more practical and absolutely o.k.! Imagine having it on your shelf, you do paperwork and just "by the way" and by ITSEL...
Also: who can count here more than up to three and has got so much time to listen to a MR?
I reckon I spoiled my selling skils by that ;-) ! Nice novelties. All ! Regards Moritz
Ha ha..that s why most MRs come with that..
watch from GO with the counter..the panomatic counter is a big seller amongst MR owners... Mo
Just an opinion, but....
While last year was incredible, and these year is admittedly much less so, it's still amazing to think that a company that only produces 4,000 - 5,000 watches per year can come up with much at all. For a relatively small company, I think they have done ve...
Sure,,,but..
Debethune makes 200 watches a year and.......always amazing! Not our fault if Lange position itself at the top of the industry...hard to keep up there I think... Mo
Actually...
I am not disappointed.... I rather see the glass half full... No interesting new models, banker happy or divert to so ethnic else... Cheers
that is a plus for me..
I thought a new Zw will change my mind...but my target is even more in focus now......I am happy like that,,, Mo
Compare to the past, Lange is really not a winner this year
It is not easy to maintain good performance for 20 years or so. On a different note, Lange gives you breathing space to recoup your resources. Regards Ling
That's true.
I still wish there will be a WG Zeitwerk Luminous for us who aren't the lucky 100. Maybe I'll look for a dato instead. Best Tyler
I haven t given up on...
the luminous.....There must e 1 or 2 knocking about somewere.......my ultimate Lange. Mo
You had too high of expectations...
Mo, I think our expectations are too high, considering last year was the 165th anniversary year and they launched some interesting pieces last year. All I need is one piece that I like from Lange and I think I found 1.5 pieces that I like. This year, the ...
There is bitter irony
in adding a striker to the Zeitwerk. The famous clock in the Semper Opera House, and source of inspiration for the Lange calendar and now the Zw, was installed for the express purpose of showing the time during a performance without it being disturbed by ...
Amerix,ONE tiny, little, sweet "piing" every 15 minutes is nothing disturbing...
I like the evolution of the ZW as it was clear that this will be a new line and not only a one off. Also: we always speculated that there will be a acustic Lange with a special mechanism: there it is! And as mentioned: the price tag for an instantly chang...
sweeter than a cow bell and hopefully a lot more quiet :)
My nerves are getting jangled. Regards, amerix This message has been edited by amerix on 2011-01-20 06:21:08
I am sure our friends from here reporting in Geneva will post a video! Also: ...
What is the connection between Lange, Vianney Halter and Dufour? Could not find anything about that. Regards De Moooonet
Greetings Moritz - yes, I'm sure they will
but the sound quality from the videos on Internet ??? Ah - the connections! Vianney was sponsored and taken under the wing of Philippe Dufour for his admission into the AHCI. Philippe has also called him "a very great artist", which he also (!!!) is, besi...
in the worst case - when the burglers break in
and lock me in the broom closet, I would want to hear a complete Grande & Petite Sonnerie - until the oxygen runs out. amerix - who else?
More than ONE question to Vianney Halter, please Amery!
Many, many thanks for the infos about ALS, Dufour and Halter! It is always great to learn about Halter and Dufour. I found a connection in Dufour's and Halter's fate: Both in theire early years had to raise fundings and worked also for Audemars Piguet. Du...
I think the ALS one Mr. Dufour own is a Datograph
Not a Datograph Perpetual. He also say something like he wasn't ready to pay for it in platinum so he opt for rose gold instead but with black dial. I think Lange specially make one for Mr. Dufour as the black dial is only reserve for Platinum.
continuous innovation Vs. continuous perfection
What do you/we prefer? To unable the hour gongs only or the quarter gongs only is to ask for a bit too much, IMO, haha! Me, i just wish the Striking Time was 2mm smaller. Then it would be the perfect discrete companion to contemplate the passing of Time. ...
It's hard to improve such a great collection
The only watch is missing is a minute repeater, and soon or later Lange will show us. The new trend is to improve the power reserve, so i'm waiting for a new datograph; the ZW has been an unexpected success, so collectors every year are waiting something ...