An ancestor of the Richard Lange Pour Le Merite

Jul 11, 2009,05:55 AM
 

Guten abend fellows!

Well, my RL PLM isn't here yet, and i'm very much and anxious as many of you are to welcome this new masterpiece into my home. ( Congrats to our dearest friends Sam and Craig in getting their wonderful superb Langes in recent days! )

Latest updates i'm getting is it should arrive next month, or late this month at the earliest. Apparently Lange is very picky when it comes to the enamel dials, this really shows their commitment to the highest quality and finish when it comes to their watches, and if it fails to meet even a tiny bit of standard, they'd rather do it all over again than compromise ( by say putting the imperfect dial into a watch and sending it off to a customer so they he or she can get it faster and be happier, i think not, because for me i'd prefer the delay and get a final good perfect product, than to rush the process by having it on my wrist sooner, but not being 100% perfect)

So, to help us ease off the tension, or mine mainly, I thought i'd share with you all a photo that i'v found off the net.

Ever since I got the RL PLM, i'V been wondering a fair bit about it's ancestral design which the designers got their inspiration for. I have searched through many Lange resources, and photos from the net to see which vintage piece did the designers used in planning out the dial for the RL PLM. And I think I have found the exact match.

 


Firstly, this is an ultra clear shot of the dial of the RL PLM which i took during a previous event.




This is as big a photo I can get of the vintage piece.

Now, a comparison between the 2.

1. As you all can see, both dials have roman numerals to them, and the sub-seconds dial of the RL PLM is basically a copy of the vintage piece. ( Most vintage ALS i have seen have that inner circle that connects the bold index together, therefore I knew the RL PLM was not inspired by them)

2. A railway track exists on the VP ( vintage piece), but not for it's modern cousin.

3. Blued hands are used for both, except it's lance hands ( or so i think they are called?) on the modern version.

4. Don't happen to see a Made in Germany mark here on the VP.

5. The sub seconds dial cuts into the numerals 5 & 7 as it does on the RL PLM, but there is no numeral 6 at all on the VP, while the RL PLM has a 6 that is almost cut completely, but still legible.

6. Red numerals at the quarters on the RL PLM, none on the VP

7. Sunken dial, 3 parts for the RL PLM, but it seems from the photo that it is just one level piece for the VP. ( Am not entirely sure about this, as the photo isn't exactly the clearest)

I hope you all found this interesting, but this definitely intrigues me. LoL!

On a side note, could any of you Lange Pros out there confirm for me the function of the button to the left of the crown on the VP? If i am not mistaken, does one hold down this button to hack the seconds, and thus adjust the time accurately? ( As i remember reading from somewhere that the crown does not pull out on vintage pocket watches of Lange, they have only 1 position, and this is the position to wind the movement, and to turn the hands, but to turn them one has to push in and hold the button to the left of the crown, but not only does this crown hacks the movement, it also allows the hour and minute hand to be adjusted) Is my knowledge of this correct? Or am i competely off course? I would like to know the truth if anyone would care to enlighten me. Danke!

Tschuss and have a great weekend!

Stephen

This message has been edited by BluNotte on 2009-07-11 06:01:47


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Hi Stephen, thanks for the pictures of both nice pieces.

 
 By: ling5hk : July 12th, 2009-07:59
As to your question of the button on the left side of the crown, I can't answer your question. However, I have a vintage chronograph pocket watch manufactured by West End Watch Co which has a similar button (on the right side of the crown). It does not ha... 

You're very much welcomed Ling!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 12th, 2009-09:39
And thanks for the confirmation! It has indeed helped answered my question! Very much appreciated! Cheers Stephen

the Lange Pocket Watch is a "NAIL SET" as righly explained

 
 By: decksurgeon : July 13th, 2009-00:14
to adjust - dig your thumbnail into the set mechanism to push it down. the crown is then moved to change the time. there is no hack for the movement and the crown has one position as explained above. when the nail set is not pushed in, the crown winds the... 

Danke schone Deck for verifying it all, and also for the

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-00:52
extra explanations! I appreciate them highly and it is interesting to learn new terms about haute horlogerie! Cheers Stephen

Unfortunately no Ling.

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-00:50
And the only photo which I have of it, as posted above isn't even very clear. You can only faintly make out the brand name. Cheers

Allow me to steer you away from German watches for a moment...

 
 By: patrick_y : July 13th, 2009-02:39
If you'll permit me to divert your attention away from Made In Germany for a few moments to focus on the ancestry of the chain and fusee... The Chain and Fusee concept also has history outside of Germany; it actually originated in France and if I'm not mi... 

I didn't know that!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-05:01
And always good to learn new things my brother! Of course, i'd allow you to divert me away from my current topic, if for something new in the world of haute horlogerie! I knew that the chain and fusee weren't invented by the Germans, but i guess i'm just ... 

you despise my PLM tourby ?

 
 By: CL : July 13th, 2009-06:54
It is GOLD !!! Hahaahhaa....enjoy your Fusee and Chain PLM, it will be very stunning *CL

I meant no offense CL!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-07:15
I meant it on a highly personal level! Of course, to each his own, but for me, really i just don't like coloured metals for one thing, and even for the monochromes, its either Platinum, Titanium, SS, or well maybe Tantalum! LoL, i'm sorry for any thing me... 

Just kidding with you :-)

 
 By: CL : July 13th, 2009-09:16
I know exactly what you meant Cheers, CL

And i would know it otherwise too!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-09:30
Cheers, my fellow Lange Purists! Have a great Tuesday! Stephen

Richard Lange Pour le Mérite #7 is going to a good home...

 
 By: patrick_y : July 13th, 2009-08:40
It's good to have strong preferences, rather than being bland and over-looking (the causes of ignorance). I'm very pleased that the #7 Platinum PLM is going to a good home, to a person who truly appreciates the ingenuity behind it.

Patrick, your words are too kind...

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-09:34
But well, they don't call us Generation Y for nothing! I'm glad that there is a PuristS who is close to me, at least in age, and who understands what I mean, in all my idiosyncrasies. You can be assured, that # 7 of the RL PLM will be in my family for as ... 

I always thought the fusee & chain was a British invention ...

 
 By: -=EHH=- : July 13th, 2009-07:19
but I could easily be wrong - the Lange & Söhne Tourbillon "Pour le Merite", however, is the first wristwatch that uses a fusee and chain arrangement! Edwin

You are correct Uncle Edwin!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-07:28
Very FIRST WIRSTWATCH! But definitely NOT 1st watch, be it pocketwatch or anything else! In fact, if i am not mistaken, in the early days ( 18th century around maybe) most pocket chronometers HAD the chain and fusee transmission, so back then, it was like... 

The Idea Is Actually From Leonardo Da Vinci...

 
 By: patrick_y : July 13th, 2009-08:36
It is believed the idea is actually from Leonardo Da Vinci. Also, they were first used in clocks starting in the mid 17th century. But you are correct as well; John Harrison, one of the fathers of time (the one who built all those marine clocks for the Br... 

Ahh , thus we thank our Italian brothers...

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-09:37
You are very much correct Patrick, our favourite guy Leonardo da Vinci thought about it all! But well, Italian to British, British to Swiss, and Swiss to German, let us all appreciate what we have today, and indeed, the implementation of the Chain Fusee i... 

And it will be the First eternally :-).........

 
 By: CL : July 13th, 2009-09:37
Not forgetting it's perfect size. You as Mr Lange should get one ;-) *CL...  

Wow, do you own 2 Lange Tourbillon PLM my friend?!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-09:41
Excellent my friend! But regarding perfect size, I have to regretably inform you that at 38.5mm it fails my personal criteria, which states that a watch for me must be at a minimum 40.00mm. Thanks for sharing these superb photos! Cheers Stephen

Yah...that's why the new PLM

 
 By: CL : July 13th, 2009-11:25
is great for you I think it is 40.5mm. I don't own 2 PLM tourbillon, one of them belongs to a very dear friend of mine. It's hard for my wrist to take anything more than 40mm, especially for a simple classic watch. I prefer classic pieces to be small whil... 

& I will own it!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-21:01
I'm getting the RL PLM, and yes it is 40.5mm! Very nice shots anyways, and good to know your preferences! Cheers Stephen

Stephen, thanks for the post and the interest it generated

 
 By: zephyr49 : July 13th, 2009-19:35
Like you, I learned a lot from the replies your post has generated. Your enthusiasm can most infectious cos its helps keep my fire burning for my next Lange! Ciao! Lionel

It is good to know then!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 13th, 2009-20:59
I love to keep others in their passion for Lange! So, what do you have set in your target sight? It's good to hear from you once again! Ciao! Stephen

As it is to read your posts!

 
 By: zephyr49 : July 14th, 2009-05:41
The regular RL is currently on my sight and with the Dato my dream watch. Busy busy busy! Been reading more than posting but its impossible to keep up with all the forums! LOL!

Go for the RL my fellow PuristS!

 
 By: BluNotte : July 14th, 2009-05:58
It is indeed a superb piece of work from the manufacture, it's accuracy for one thing i gotta boast, it's so good at times I wonder it it's magically connected to the atomic time! Seriously, it is very VERY VERY VERY awesome, and one piece you will never ...  

Another interesting thread buddy

 
 By: ianny : July 27th, 2009-07:26
Can't wait for your wrist shot posts though. Regards, iAn