Patek Philippe

Hi all I know the post is out of context but wanted the opinion of your experience and didn’t know where else to post I have the option of getting a few of the sought after pieces of Patek/Rolex if I buy a h moser cie from my AD/dealer. The catch however ... 

5711? 5131? 6300?? How many 100k or perhaps millions does he want? You may still be able to help your AD, but you need to call an ambulance right away 😉

You need to be specific. If you calc the loss from the Moser and get a sought after Patek now, you might make back the gain on paper.

H Moser do not hold their value well and when I say this I mean, do expect to lose 40 to 50 percent of the RRP on resale. I know in the Far East, discounts of 25 to 30% from the AD are normal so I would be very careful before buying a H Moser at RRP even ... 

Even for Rolex, AP and PP, only a few models hold value. If the AD is dumping you that Moser, it means nobody seems to want it. Would be hard for you to sell it as well.

There are many cases where a Moser watch has sold above list price at Christies, Sotheby's, etc... Sure, a used watch with no box or papers or service history can be had for a lower price, but that is because you have to factor in the cost of service, buy... 

but I have sold my limited edition fume dial Moser to a fellow purist quite recently and even after having bought the watch at 25 percent below RRP, I still sold the watch at a further 20% discount ie a total of 45% below RRP. I think if you look at websi... 

he's advicing me 5270 but I got no budget of course...BUT later I heard he will put his customers on waiting list for 5711 (just the privilige for waiting list, no guarantee) if the customer buys ard USD 150K from him ) I really dislike this kind of pract... 

Factor in at least a 50% loss on the Moser and see if buying the PP and Rolex makes sense had you paid that 50% as additional purchase price for the PP and Rolex (which is in effect what you’re doing). You can be the judge of whether that makes sense econ... 

Moser's go for significant discount from AD's in the Far East. So if you don't intend on keeping the Moser, whatever hit that you are taking would be the premium you pay for the Rolex//Patek. In the end, we would need more details on the pieces that the A... 

I don't like that kind of practice from any AD or Shop . Stay away i would say .

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U all for the extremely pertinent advice. Most of u are right that this kind of practise needs to be deprecated. But what do u do in these times?? To be more specific the dealer is giving me the Pepsi and the hulk as of now at retail price if I buy a mose... 

Great watches with superbs dials and high quality movements but the dealer has to resort to underhand sales tactics to move them.

compare to the retail price for this Moser ?

I would ask the AD how much he would buy back the Moser for (or if his shop won't do it, he can most certainly point you to someone that does). This will give you the best indication of the secondary market for the particular piece in mind.

I am not as informed as the watch dealer is, in knowing the market value of the watches. We have an information disparity here. If he put forward a deal like this, it means that he's better off by selling you the Moser and the Pepsi as a package, then sel... 

I think you have some very solid answers. 1- Is it normal for an AD to ask its customers to buy other watches to get access to highly demanded watches. Maybe not so common but a practice that is seen. 2- is it a good idea to buy a Moser at full retail pri... 

Some serious insight. Will try and do the math and figure out.

and I believe it is VERY common practice for the independant AD to wheel and deal more than others, but it is the same same with the new AP business model, I get the small AD’s doing what they have to but when the big boys do this I don’t want to particip...