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diamonds on a dial....
Mar 28, 2017,05:05 AM
.....i just can't see you with that.
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My Basel report - Patek Philippe
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-15:21
This time I let the pictures talk. In the discussions afterwards, I will tell more about my impressions. However, it is important that each and every Purist can form his/her opinion and thus, I am mostly posting this time just non-edited pictures. I think...
Thank you for the fantastic report!
By: Mark in Paris : March 27th, 2017-15:42
These are great photos and they will be very useful for those who can't see themin the real. There are indeed several watches I'm eager to see, more than I expected. I imagine that it took quite a lot of time to picture them so thanks again Kari. Best, Ma...
Thank you for your fine work
By: watch-er : March 27th, 2017-16:56
To photograph all those watches and upload to this site in one post is incredible. Technology is your expertise. Great watches too.
Thank you Kari for the lovely taken photos!
By: sham1 : March 27th, 2017-15:48
Is it just me or did you take more photos of the 5170P than any other watch?! I love it too and am thinking very hard about it So what watches did you order? Let me guess - the 5170P, 5131Pfor yourself and the 7130G for your wife
You are a man of Great Taste.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-16:03
Technically the watch is simply great and the dial is stunning. It's a very elegant watch and feels great on the wrist. Best, Kari
Thanks, Kari.
By: Pretty Boy : March 28th, 2017-02:16
I will get my first PP (5712/1A-001) within the next 2-3 months. I'm still more into sporty timepieces, but the 5170P could become my first timepiece on a leather strap. Thanks again for so many great pictures. Best, Volker
Fantastic report just like Imran's
By: Joepny : March 27th, 2017-16:22
thanks Kari. Lots of appeal with the new collection. I found it to be a major success for PP. Personal favorites are the two 5960 and 5170P.
Thanks a lot.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-16:39
Which 5960 you like more. For me both are appealing. I have the P & A... should I go for G? Best, Kari
I have not decided yet.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-17:07
I will not give away my black dial platinum nor white dial steel. But no hurry; need to get 5131P first. Best Kari
When 5230P will be introduced,
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-16:42
I am the first one in the list. I at leat think so because my name should be there already. It's a fantastic reference! I do not like oversized watches but somehow I find 5168 more balanced that 5167. The new one is simply perfect. Best, Kari
Not sure how Patek does it
By: Poky : March 27th, 2017-16:33
Just when you start doubting, they come up with these desirable beauties. Everyone is bound to have a different taste and they sure satisfy most. For me 5078, 5320 and 5168 are the most desirable although admittedly I would be very happy with any of the o...
Thank you! Great post!
By: alphabeta81 : March 27th, 2017-16:39
Wonderful pictures! What a year for Patek, so many winners this year!
But unfortunately not mine.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-16:47
This arctic theme is something I love. In addition to that, the watch is simply perfect. Best, Kari
It's a great reference.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-17:14
I would say that with platinum case it could overshadow my 5550P. Best, Kari
What a fantastic report.
By: willski : March 27th, 2017-17:07
Many thanks for taking the time and effort to do this, as it really is great for those of us who could not attend in person! I will add that I was initially underwhelmed by PP's offering this year; however your photos have changed that impression. The 596...
Relativity! :D
By: willski : March 27th, 2017-19:01
Which 5960 variants do you own again? If I'm not mistaken though, the '1A' is the one you wear the most?
Thank you Kari!
By: patrick_y : March 27th, 2017-17:08
Thank you Kari for showing us all these photos and for taking the time to upload all of these photos! And for providing your insightful comments!
Most of comments are yet to come.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-17:17
And in April I have an opportunity to play with the minute repeaters and have a close look at the Advanced Research. That's an interesting watch. Patek is promising accuracy between minus 1 to plus two seconds per day. Quite incredible. Best, Kari
My photos, mostly taken by my wife,
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-22:05
were taken with a semi-pocket camera in poor lightning. We spent in the meeting room full two hours and took a bit over 400 pictures. That means a photo every 21 seconds for two hours. There was no time to play with the photographs but to try to give my (...
After the mandatory purchases,
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-22:07
the black dial 5160/1A is leading the dream list of non-mandatory purchases. It is such a wonderful watch for every day's wearing. Perhaps white dial for sunny days, black for cloudy. Or vice versa. Best, Kari
They are very different.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-23:02
The dial of the black is like watching to the depths of an ocean. It's so deep. At the same time the white is very playful. Indeed, a matter of taste and two very different watches when looking at the dial. Best, Kari
Very matt.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-23:08
Like antique, a bit worn down velvet. Best, Kari
Thank you for these
By: thomaspp : March 27th, 2017-20:48
great pictures... sadly I do not care for the great majority of the new releases...
There are always the old releases.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-22:09
The new collection does not reduced the value of the old collection. As an example 5370P is today as great as it was on the day of release. Furthermore, many of us love the vintage ones. Best, Kari
remarkable!!
By: Watcholic_id : March 27th, 2017-21:08
superb pics and a wonderful write up thank you for sharing them here
Amazing photos, thanks for sharing!
By: keks : March 27th, 2017-21:40
The 5131P makes complete sense for you to have... even my home country is on the map so would love to say I will try to get one. Unfortunately priced a bit over my pain threshold even if an allocation was possible... star of the show for me is 5170P. Can ...
Yes, Sweden fits to the map of 5131P.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-22:16
But can you see your home in the map? When watching the map carefully, I am sure I can see mine: 250 km north from the Arctic Circle, in the eastern part of Lapland. If I imagine the dial in the dark, I am sure that Aurora Borealis will appear and start t...
The 6006 could be even nicer if...
By: mdg : March 27th, 2017-22:43
...the date font was thinner than that used for the hours. They are too similar in weight and compete with each other. The date should be subordinate to the hour and provide some contrast. Maybe they will change the dial at some point. The 5230G is fantas...
Every fan of Patek is also a self-made designer.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-23:06
I used to be upset with many references because they were not according to my taste. Then I realised it: Thierry Stern is not coming to me and giving his demands about my next ships; not even demanding to stay on tanker segment or demanding moving to bulk...
Just an opinion...
By: mdg : March 28th, 2017-09:26
...but an informed one. I am (was, now retired) a university-trained graphic designer who worked for 30 years in the tech industry as a designer/art director/ creative director. That includes both print, packaging, advertising, and digital app design (UI/...
Not "just" an opinion
By: Tonypatch : April 2nd, 2017-05:51
There are people who have better trained eyes and "antennas" for design than others. And then there are people who are "fanboys" and applaud whatever a manufacturer puts to the market. Fonts of recent PPs have been discussed and criticized often enough, i...
It is not very fruitful to discuss matters of taste.
By: dr.kol : April 2nd, 2017-06:13
I like, as an example, the dial of 3940 much more than the one of 5140. However, Patek has the right to produce what they want and we have the option to buy or not to buy. There are enough watches around to please everybody. I have heard several times peo...
I think...
By: Tonypatch : April 2nd, 2017-06:37
...a forum should allow some debate about style and design (not taste, which is your or mine taste, which I am not criticizing). Otherwise we could move this whole thing to Instagram and limit comments to "great watch" - "no YOUR watch is even greater". M...
That's the center of their discussion
By: Mark in Paris : April 2nd, 2017-10:31
It is a matter of taste and not an objective issue. What is an aesthetical standard at one time may change at another time. Hence, what was true at one time (proportions, what kind of patterns match together and which one don't etc...) can be inaccurate l...
The problem is there
By: Mark in Paris : April 2nd, 2017-06:18
I don't believe there is such thing as absolute ideal design. There is just a standard design at one time. And the history is full of examples of designs that were great back then but are now outdated. It is one thing to find something we don't like, it i...
Well
By: Tonypatch : April 2nd, 2017-07:42
I do understand the politically correct concept of a "safe space" but: What if people saying this watch is really nice and is good taste - isn't that not that nice reading for people who actually don't like it??
+1 [nt]
By: dr.kol : April 2nd, 2017-08:07
++1 [nt]
By: keks : April 2nd, 2017-08:12
Thanks for such a great report, now my take is...
By: drphileasfogg : March 27th, 2017-22:58
Amazing photos. Love the 5131P and the bracelet. The black dial 5960A is a game changer for me as I was not a fan of the white dial. 5170P looks fantastic. Now for the 5230G, I like it but I think that it is trying a bit too hard to look vintage. So great...
Thanks for your comments.
By: dr.kol : March 27th, 2017-23:10
I mostly agree. But about 5230G my thought are that Patek said: "Let's give them an exceptionally readable perpetual". Best, Kari
Thank you, a real treat!
By: Time to watch : March 27th, 2017-23:20
its no small feat taking all these pictures , organizing and posting. Very much appreciated Sincerely H. P.s. My next watch looks even better in your pics than the ones I have seen thus far.
A stellar Basel showing for Patek
By: tahoeblue : March 27th, 2017-23:50
Up and down the line-up are potential classics. All the grand comps. 5320 maybe just the right combo of a modern and vintage-feel perpetual. And look at the detail in the casework of this reference. 5178 with cathedral gongs, cream enamel dial, and Bregue...
Thank you for the fantastic pictures, Kari!
By: COUNT DE MONET : March 28th, 2017-00:03
I, as many, have enjoyed them a lot. Regarding the 5320: albeit looking very traditional the fact that the case is stamped out of one piece and also that the movement contains silicon parts makes this reference a totally modern watch. Also the size. Howev...
While underwhelming for me personally, there are a few gems in here.
By: zabreg1 Mr White : March 28th, 2017-00:03
I personally would go first for the 5320G. But the price is insane. The 5170P is killer, but the diamond indices are not my style. Now, the 5960. The black dial I like much better than the original white. But the 5960G, with the grained blue dial is my to...
I am happy you enjoyed.
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-00:15
I find the QP okay priced taking into account what it is. Best Kari
It is not that I am saying it is overvalued.
By: zabreg1 Mr White : March 28th, 2017-02:15
I just think, that for this much money, there are a number of other very interesting propositions out there. And I do not need another QP, so that influences my opinion. It is a very nice watch, though.
Watches are expensive
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-06:16
and luckily there are many around in all price ranges. Best Kari
Naturally it is relative.
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-11:49
I find watches expensive. My 5070P was costing just the same as my Porsche 911 Targa 4 GTS very well equipped. But still I bought the watch. Best Kari
Let's put it this way:
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-00:56
I would not give away my 5070P. But it is the London Edition. For sure the movement of 5170 is superior. But 5070P has something which is nearly impossible to beat. Best Kari
Great report, Kari.
By: Thomahof : March 28th, 2017-00:57
How would you rate this two watch collection: 59601/a black dial and 5170P?
Congratulations Kari for these wonderful photos
By: patrickh : March 28th, 2017-00:50
and 1st part. I wait to read your following comments and your 2d part with MRs. I have 3 questions: - 5131P dial is performed by different enamellers. Did you see the 2 or 3 variations dials which will be delivered (with different color intensity) accordi...
Answers:
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-14:19
Sorry, I can't get question 1. I asked Patek about the scale of 5170P and they promised to study the matter. No, I did not take lime shots. The room in the boot was well lighted and I could not ask the hosts to turn the lights off. They would have thought...
appreciated and like your humor.
By: patrickh : March 28th, 2017-14:43
Thank you Kari. I hope Patek will reconsider the scale printing for 5170P in the final production and not for a new reference i.e. 5170P-011. Regarding lume, maybe another Purists could get a better environment to make this lume shot. I will try myself en...
We discussed about the dial of 5131P with the management of Patek.
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-14:49
Both my wife and I understood that the dials are already made. Perhaps we misunderstood. Anyhow, I believe that the production run of 5131P will be very short and limited. I feel that the dial of the P version is somehow much "deeper" than the dials of J,...
kari, thanks so much for all the detailed pics and info.
By: watch-guy.com : March 28th, 2017-00:54
I wish I could see these pieces IRL Honestly the dial of the 5131P looks absolutely amazing but I would love to see it before plunking a few shekels on the counter - OK maybe more than a few The 5170P looks intriguing but unless someone can convince me th...
Diamonds on dial is a very personal matter.
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-06:00
Some like, others don't. I will not get a watch with diamonds on dial and those were the other reason why I refused the anniversary Nautilus. But others might love the diamonds and nothing wrong with that. Best Kari
Totally agree....
By: Baron - Mr Red : March 28th, 2017-06:12
.....just guessing which side of the line Julian will go. For me, it is simple...if there are diamonds on the dial, I won't go there. Cultural. Upbringing. etc etc....no right or wrong, but just different.
The 5170P
By: watch-er : March 30th, 2017-15:40
will most likely be worn by a lot of women due to the diamond dial. Given its size it can be a ladies or gent's watch easily.
Your wife deserves our admiration
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : March 28th, 2017-03:27
These photos are definitely impressive, much better than those ones you can find on professional websites. I like the new collection, even though i'm going to focus more on what i can't accept from a watchmaker of this level. Before any fan might fell off...
Nautilus is close to 26k (white dial)
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : March 29th, 2017-04:54
5167 is 40 mm and cheaper (16-18K), thus for many customers aquanaut is a worthy substitute. In the italian forum i used to write many fans are praising aquanaut day by day, but for me is just a nice watch, but definitely overpriced and overvalued. There ...
It's again a matter of taste.
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-05:15
Many say that Porsche 911 is a better car with less price than Ferrari California T. What is the objective truth? I guess nobody can define it. If one wants to get Ferrari, it is for sure the right choise. Same with Patek. I love AP 15202 but MY experienc...
Interesting to discuss
By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2017-07:55
I see from of your posts that the price and worth of watches is a very important matter for you. The problem is that in such Luxury field, their are elements aside of the factual ones. The thing is that a watch is not only technical features but also the ...
Let's talk of the new aquanaut
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : March 29th, 2017-11:36
What is really new? The 42.2 mm case. Did you check the ratio case/caliber? A photo sometimes speaks better than hundreds of words But i'm not surprised, there is a Calatrava with the same ratio (but fortunately solid caseback) I'm not interested at all i...
True, the movement is a bit small compared with the case.
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-12:08
However, that is very common with most brands when the case sizes have been growing. It would be wonderful to get a big amount of new movements every year. But who would pay the bill in the end? The buyers of those watches. I do not see problems using 324...
In fact it is a new version of the 5167 Aquanaut
By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2017-13:36
not presented as a new model. However, there are sometimes details that make a version more attracting than others too. I'm sure people will love the color and material combination. Here, it is a size that will please a quite significant part of the clien...
One interesting note about 5168:
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-13:47
I do not like bigger watches. However, I found 5168 better balanced and proportional than 5167. So that one is somewhere on my growing shopping list. Best, Kari
Brilliant write-up and pictures Kari
By: samwan : March 28th, 2017-04:48
I cannot lose the image of the 5320G in my mind and have ordered it....will probably get it by year-end. Best Sam
5230g is a winner its all there the data you need.
By: geross : March 28th, 2017-05:18
Date moon phase day , what more. And its very legible. The ladies perpetual and world time are really nice especially with diamonds. The enamel platinum world time is also a winner. For me. Thanks for the pictures Kari. Cheers , enjoy Basell.
I love the new 5230.
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-06:09
It is very readable, three dimensional and a bit vintage type in a refreshing way. Luckily it is not a re-edition (read copy) of some old reference. Best Kari
6006
By: almapama : March 28th, 2017-09:30
Thank you Kari for this fantastic report! The 6006 is a strong candidate for becoming my first Patek. I had considered the 6000 in the past, but found it too small. Do you know when it becomes available? Best, Matthias
We can't love all the new references
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-11:44
but if we do not, it does not mean that there would be something wrong with the watch. Patek has tens of thousands clients. That means tens of thousands different tastes. They are obviously trying to please as many tastes within their own criterias as pos...
Thanks for the great report and photo's
By: ambel : March 28th, 2017-12:04
The 5131P is to die for, but even if I could have the funds out of my reach. Already on the list for the 5131R at different AD but will never be able to receive one I guess The 5170P however is within my reach and already ordered! I think that once seen i...
Many many thanks Kari.
By: Chimaera : March 28th, 2017-12:41
I think the 5230 is the (surprising) star, but there is so much to digest here and I look forward to discovering the pieces one by one. Thank you Kari for your erudition, and all for your comments. The debates are as fascinating as the watches!
Wow Kari, what a photo bomb
By: descartes1 : March 28th, 2017-15:26
I think we missed each other by a day or two. (My trip report is in the Basel World/SIHH section). Too bad. That world time on Platinum is incredible. Beyond my reach in more ways than one, but incredible. I\'ll just have to be content with my 5110P. Sigh...
I did not look at the windows, just the watches inside.
By: dr.kol : March 28th, 2017-23:33
Yes, it was quite a job to pick up +100 photos from +400 I had. My intention was just to show how the watches really look like in artificial lightning. Naturally I wanted to take 5131P and take some pictures in natural light outside. However, the gorillas...
Regarding 5170p diamonds on dial
By: Time to watch : March 29th, 2017-02:36
I have been thinking about some of the comments dismissing the 5170p due to the diamond indexes on the dial. While I fully understand the reaction of some of my fellow enthusiasts I ask you to look beyond the gemstones. This watch is imho a work of art be...
I totally agree!
By: sham1 : March 29th, 2017-03:12
The baguette diamonds on the watch are so subtle that I showed it to a top jewellery designer who did not even notice the diamonds! This is because the blue dial is mesmerising and changes colour depending on the light. Many of us have a psychological bar...
I confirm what you say.
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-03:42
When 5170P is on the wrist, it is nearly impossible to understand that there are diamonds on the dial. The photos are emphasising the same and I am sure if somebody takes a look at your wrist when wearing 5170P, nobody can understand that there are diamon...
I agree - 5170P is a Masterpiece
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-03:29
I understand people who say "yes" to diamonds as well as the ones saying "no". I like Ferrari. However, I would not buy a yellow one while for others yellow is the preferred color. I want my cars black while for some a black Ferrari is stupidity. The cars...
Absolutely agree. It is a masterpiece!
By: keks : March 29th, 2017-04:31
I am contemplating a call to my AD at this point... even though I have already made one order request from the 2017 PP new releases already!!!
Hahahah
By: keks : March 29th, 2017-05:43
Did you reveal your first order yet?
Hope to get lucky....
By: keks : March 29th, 2017-07:11
and be allocated a 5650G! My AD has promised to try hard but not sure of allocations unfortunately so trying to be realistic in my expectations!!!
Thanks for sharing some optimism!
By: keks : March 29th, 2017-07:27
I have not yet handled this but have handled 5164A and 5164R a few times. Like the size, complication and feel of this reference. However the steel in black was a bit flat in color to me and the R does not feel right to me. But a blue dial white metal (wo...
I spoke with the commercial director of Patek about the opening.
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-07:34
First he was joking that they employed the former President of Zenith to their design team. I understood that it was not an easy thing for Patek to open the dial. They worked for a month to make the opening right. However, Patek made some clever new inven...
H? [nt]
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-09:36
thank you
By: serali : March 29th, 2017-05:14
Great pics! I don\'t find any mandatory purchase in this year collection, but Patek is finally make some good corrections on 5170 and 5960.
Outstanding photo report
By: emcquillan : March 29th, 2017-05:49
A very sincere thank you for sharing and bringing these watches to life. IMO the 5320 is quite interesting and the 5170P was almost perfect. Thanks again,
Thank you
By: Park : March 29th, 2017-08:22
Kari, Thank you for the many photos, the commentary, the personal opinions, and your nice answers to the many responses. It is most kind of you to share your access, experience, and enthusiasm so generously. I imagine there are others with equal access wh...
A steel 5960 is unbeatable as a daily watch.
By: dr.kol : March 29th, 2017-09:35
I am just sitting onboard a ship from Helsinki to Tallinn, wearing a business suit in business class and on my wrist is again 5960A. I love it! I think 5170P will make any collection even nicer. Best Kari
Blue today
By: Park : March 29th, 2017-10:34
On camera for TV documentary later today, so blue shirt required; blue 5960P optional. Park ...
Kari, how do you feel the similarities
By: patrickh : March 30th, 2017-01:37
between 5320G indexes and those from Aquanaut line? I just put the 2 photos closed and was surprised by this aspect. Maybe they are different? Cheers, Patrickh
Can't really say.
By: dr.kol : March 30th, 2017-01:54
The style is the same but I do not believe that the color of Superluminova is just the same. Best Kari
Great photos!
By: NML77 : March 30th, 2017-17:05
Thanks for sharing. It helps give a much clearer picture of what these watches look like for those of us that were not at Basel. It seems like Patek did a very nice job this year with the 5320, 5170 and aquanaut topping my list.
Excellent report Kari....
By: Topcat30093 : March 31st, 2017-16:43
The 5320G is the firm winner for me. Even if they had to fill out the back of the case to get the smaller 324 movement comfortably accommodated.
Definately warming to this reference
By: Patekphilippecollector : April 2nd, 2017-08:40
The 5327 is my favourite but I really wanted a PC with Windows versus sub dials and very clean (like the FPJ QP). We are getting their. The dial reminds me of the 5327 and I bet the lume is fantastic. Looking forward to comparing this to the 5327. Looking...
5131P is a Winner
By: Mean Solar Time : April 8th, 2017-06:16
Thanks for a wonderful collection of pictures from the 2017 collection! All of the watches look great, ... but the 5131P is extraordinary! The combination of the Platinum case and the snow of the northern view is perfect!
I fully agree.
By: dr.kol : April 8th, 2017-08:09
For somebody like me spending a good part of the year in Arctic, 5131P is something very special. Best, Kari
Hopefully?
By: Mean Solar Time : April 9th, 2017-12:59
Maybe you can get on the dealer list and make your dreams come true!