They literally charge you what they want to charge you...

Aug 10, 2022,17:44 PM
 

In America, the rule is that they're supposed to charge you for parts and for the regular number of labor-hours that job usually entails. A "Master Book" lists all of the typical services and the number of hours those services are supposed to be billed for. Dealerships are supposed to set a "standard hourly rate." Unfortunately. Service writers have a wide discretion on what they can charge. So let's say the typical labor rate is around $250 an hour. And let's say the book states an oil change is a 2 hour affair. The dealership will charge you $500 or so for the labor. Possibly more if they can find some other way to pad the hours. Then you have to pay for parts. Parts has no rules. A dealership can charge whatever markup they want on parts. So for instance, at my Mercedes dealership, the parts cost significantly more, about 150% to 250% the normal "manufactured suggested price." For instance, a Mercedes wheel cap used to retail for $17 on Mercedes' website. My dealer charged $37. My dealer also has a Porsche department, and the markups there were even more astronomical when the economy was good. And the markups are slightly lower when the economy was bad. Thus, it can be very inconsistent. A quart of oil, which costs around $5 a quart retail is often marked up to around double at the Mercedes dealer. And I'm told around quadruple at the Porsche dealer. Funny thing, the two dealerships are owned by the same conglomerate, and Porsche and Mercedes both use the same spec Mobil-1 oil. Some clients are stubborn and thus they negotiate on the pricing somewhat, and my service writer is already aware of what I am accustomed to paying. Some new clients are completely unaware, and especially at Porsche, they are fleeced. My dealership is in a more middle-class part of town, but there are dealerships that cater to the wealthier citizens of the area and they take even more advantage I'm told. I don't remember specifics, but I recall seeing other vehicles being serviced and I was amazed, the costs were higher than that of an Aston Martin! Apparently the Aston Martin dealer isn't taking full advantage while the Porsche dealerships were.  Car brands need to make servicing costs more public and clearer.  It's very opaque now.  Especially as electric cars are coming, and electric cars have lower maintenance requirements.  But while I bet the Porsche Taycan is amazing, I'm just scared that they'll try to take advantage since the dealership business model at Porsche is to make BIG money in sales and to make even more margins in servicing.  Tesla's service model is different; make big margins in sales and make minimal margins in servicing, and even smaller margins in Supercharging - Supercharging costs are so low, that they don't even fund the expansion of superchargers (superchargers are Tesla gas stations that offer high speed electric charging).  Although the servicing costs may change one day at Tesla if they decide they want to make more money off it, since very few places can service a Tesla vehicle.


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What a beast!

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-10:25
Very sexy in person and quite compact, it really looks like the gt3rs and the gt4 had a baby Love the color too which is a great match for the black and carbon accents: ...  

One good looking bad boy!

 
 By: Chronometer (aka yacomino) : August 9th, 2022-11:25

Epic car

 
 By: TeutonicCarFan : August 9th, 2022-11:30
Perfect for track work.

Couldn't agree more

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-11:37
In that way more extreme than the GT3 which is the better road car (quite a statement!).

Love the color scheme!

 
 By: MichaelC : August 9th, 2022-13:13
Congratulations!

Not mine just at the showroom

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-13:32
My pick of the line-up is the boxster gts 4.0 though, a real bargain at half the price of a gt4rs..

How powerful is it?

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-13:25

500 bhp

 
 By: Arronax : August 9th, 2022-13:30
German horses, the best thing second to Italian cavalli ;-)

LOL! Impressive!

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-13:39

Good to know!

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-20:46

My Greenie says hi

 
 By: Hororgasm : August 9th, 2022-18:27
Was my birthday prezzie last year, manual, with "club sports" pack. Car is fun in old school way, but absolutely slower then most rides out there. Even a PDK 992 C2S will be faster at the get go, but if a certain analogue feeling is what u crave, this is ...  

Wonderful!

 
 By: amanico : August 9th, 2022-20:47

That is a gorgeous machine!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-17:45

Porsche has gone crazy...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 9th, 2022-22:21
Porsche has gone crazy with their pricing structure. Here in Silicon Valley, people think of Porsches as a great value. But the Porsche dealers here fleece owners with insane servicing costs. Mainly because owners here have no idea what to expect and are ... 

They literally charge you what they want to charge you...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-17:44
In America, the rule is that they're supposed to charge you for parts and for the regular number of labor-hours that job usually entails. A "Master Book" lists all of the typical services and the number of hours those services are supposed to be billed fo... 

Wow, that is nuts! Sounds like Greubel service pricing :P

 
 By: Fastwong : August 11th, 2022-02:09
I haven't paid for a service at a dealership in years, I remember it being bad but this sounds like it's really gotten out of control. That said, I have gotten some freebies from the dealers I've had car trouble away from home a couple times, once in Mont... 

Maybe that will come.

 
 By: amanico : August 11th, 2022-20:20

Huge risk for Alpine and their parent company...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:31
We have a number of Nissan dealerships in USA. Maybe they'll bring Alpine franchises to Nissan dealerships. But most Nissan dealerships will think twice. The cost to train a service staff to know how to work on the vehicle is costly. And if there's not en... 

Alas, there is no Renault representation in USA...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 12th, 2022-05:59
We don't really have French cars in the USA. No Renault. No Peugot. Only French brand that has dealerships in USA is Bugatti which is from Franco-German Alsace region (and Bugatti himself was mostly Italian).

More options is usually a good thing for the consumer!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 12th, 2022-06:11
I just want them to open a Pierre Herme here. That's all I ask! And some nice baguettes and flaky croissants. The Eric Kayser here in USA doesn't taste the same as in Paris. When I fly to Greece, I bring back my favorite olive oil. Thankfully now, I can g... 

Always beware those people with planes...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:28
Some people have expensive habits. Gambling, drinking, drugs, planes, and watches. Always be afraid if you're doing business with them! I'm saying that mostly as a joke. It's always a fine balance at a Porsche dealership. It's human nature to try to be he... 

400 Euros is a fair price...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:26
Here, the annual service on a Mercedes can vary. They have odd number years and even number years. Odd number years; 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 are generally not too bad. It's mainly an oil change and a quick inspection. The dealers charge around $300 US Dolla... 

Yes, quite fair.

 
 By: amanico : August 12th, 2022-04:58

Porsche is showing us what would have happened to Rolex if they increased pricing massively to match demand.

 
 By: Fastwong : August 10th, 2022-01:25
Porsche WAS a decent value just like Rolex was at MSRP, they both occupied this nice niche that was a premium to everything else in their class and also a great deal less then the next step up. Instead of keeping price increases relatively small like Role... 

That's what I was thinking...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-18:18
The Lamborghini Huracan genuinely drives like a special machine (even though it is admittedly 20% an Audi R8). There's so much more emotion than the Porsche. And the Porsche is a technically brilliant car. Just brilliant. But the Lamborghini for only a $5... 

In Germany the share of full paid Porsche (new cars) is about 10%

 
 By: penfriend : August 10th, 2022-10:26
the rest is paid in any kind of finance/leasing arrangements - very different to other brands. So being a Porsche owner in its true sense applies to only a small minority of drivers over here. I turned my back to the brand in 2010 after nearly 20 years of... 

I don't know in USA, but we are heavily financed...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 10th, 2022-17:57
USA built the whole concept of mass credit adoption. So it's only natural. Americans buy everything on credit. And have some of the highest credit card debts in the world. The average car loan is now around 69 months!!! 69! that's nearly 6 years!!! People... 

What's crazy too is that the average sale price of a car in the US is nearing $50k, about the same as average annual income. I don't know how people afford that 🙄

 
 By: Fastwong : August 10th, 2022-22:28
If you've been watching the news on the car market, it's a lot like the Rolex market, just a little behind since cars aren't so liquid and there's more finance and repo adding to the time lag. The car bubble is about to pop too, hoping for a good deal on ... 

Yup! They say a new car in USA now costs on average $49,000 USD before tax, finance charges, and registration!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 11th, 2022-23:39
$49,000! That used to be a Mercedes E Class (low options and a small discount) money in USA! Special insight: Dodge and Chrysler vehicle owners are often of a demographic with more varied credit ratings. Which suggests that your chance of getting a good d...