Are you sure that bezel is white gold?

Feb 02, 2016,13:08 PM
 

If it was, the technical reference should be 1134901. Ebel used the same technical referencing scheme from their beginnings until just a couple of years ago. The first 1 is "gold and steel", digits two to four ("134") are the caliber number, and "901" is a model code that I have never decoded, but all Zenith-powered chronographs were 901's and all Ebel 137-powered chronographs in otherwise similar cases (but not quite identical) were 240's.

That first digit in yours is what interests me. 1 is mixed, 2 may be silver (and thus very old indeed), 3 is white gold, 4 is platinum, 5 is rose gold, 6 is gold highlights (such as screws on a steel bezel, or brushed gold-capped steel bezel), 7 is rolled gold plate (not used since the 60's), 8 is yellow gold, 9 is stainless steel, and B is titanium. The "9" on yours suggests to me that the bezel is, in fact, steel. But there should be a notice lightly engraved on the case back--lightly because they would have engraved that notice after pairing the steel parts with the gold parts. Mine, for example, faintly says, "Stainless Steel Case / 18K Bezel" on the back, above the deeply engraved serial and technical reference numbers. Yours seems to lack that engraving, unless they are too faint to see in the photographs. By the way, the steel bezel in my 9080241 1911 Senior looks exactly like the bezel on yours, in terms of profile and polish.

The 701 on yours is where the serial number usually goes. I've never figured out any pattern with Ebel serial numbers, even with our sample of 25.
Fully agree about the hexagonal crown, which I believe was used with all the wave-bracelet versions, including later quartz models that retained the wave bracelet. I believed that the fluted crown came with the 1911 bracelet in 1986, but that is just an impression.

All of the pre-1911 chronographs should have movements that Zenith made before stopping production in the 70's, from the stock of finished ebauches that Blum purchased in 1982, when Charly Vermot revealed his famous subterfuge. According to Manfred Rossler, Zenith did not restart actual production until 1986, with the transitional caliber 40.0, to be replaced a year later by the caliber 400, as it is currently designated. That was the same year that Blum introduced the 1911 line, in celebration of Ebel's 75th anniversary.

The details of the hands are all new for me--fun to learn new stuff. The rings around the sub-dials are a bit different (and wider) than on my later model.
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Zenith El Primero in a different wrapping......

 
 By: HSTE : January 31st, 2016-13:48
......would you all remember? "Les architects du temps"? Ebel Chronos with Zenith El Primero in the engine room Steel and white gold Steel and white gold 'Mixed'...  

The watch that saved the El Primero...

 
 By: rdenney : January 31st, 2016-14:19
I have an ad from a US magazine for this watch, dated 1983 (when the caliber number would have been 3019PHC, in addition to Ebel caliber 134), "intelligently priced" at $1995. That was, of course, more than the Daytona, and the ref. 1134901 Ebel remained ...  

one of the most beautiful chronographs ever made.

 
 By: Rodad : January 31st, 2016-18:29
....just an opinion but I wonder if my fellow collectors feel the same. The 1911 chronograph with Zenith movement is like an art sculpture. Clean curves, outstanding design and incredible dial and of course a movement that is rarely rivaled today at 36,60...  

No. I had just removed the strap in the photo.

 
 By: Rodad : January 31st, 2016-19:48
Wouldn't dare drilling this masterpiece

Lovely watch...

 
 By: rdenney : February 1st, 2016-09:36
...and I did see one recently that was either a fake or had been drilled for a standard strap. The integral straps are part of what makes the strapped versions of these cases have such design integrity. This one was in their 2005 catalog: ...  

Totally agree

 
 By: Rodad : February 1st, 2016-20:42
....the design is incredibly intricate and integrated. That said Ebel must have one of sadest endings in the archives of swiss watch making. Unfortunately today it has become unreconizable with designs that are almost indistinguishable from Fossil and che... 

It's not as bad as all that...

 
 By: rdenney : February 1st, 2016-21:43
While their pictures of this watch make it look utterly uninspired, in person it is quite beautiful, or really from any angle that shows its actual shape. Only Ebel would finish a watch in this way, even though it does not follow the Sport Classic pattern...  

Ebel cal 134

 
 By: chippytime : February 2nd, 2016-08:22
These Ebels are now very underrated unless in all gold. Such a shame because Ebel recued Zenith over the Primero. Now I do not bother to look at the website becaue they have lost their way. I have two calibre 134's; rather tatty old photos attached. Sorry...  

Some more pix and additional info.....

 
 By: HSTE : February 2nd, 2016-11:42
.....cool, when I opened this thread and posted the pictures I did it quite hastedly and did not count on many views or reactions. Therefore just some additons: 1st Generation Ebel El Primero: there were several "generations". I specifically hunted steel/...  

Fascinating information indeed!!!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : February 2nd, 2016-12:56
It is a true pleasure to follow this thread and learn from you all. This exchange brought back sweet memories from my time as a PhD student, when I seriously contemplated an Ebel watch with the El Primero. Back then they where more expensive than the orig... 

Are you sure that bezel is white gold?

 
 By: rdenney : February 2nd, 2016-13:08
If it was, the technical reference should be 1134901. Ebel used the same technical referencing scheme from their beginnings until just a couple of years ago. The first 1 is "gold and steel", digits two to four ("134") are the caliber number, and "901" is ... 

Wow, this is a real expert view I must admit.....

 
 By: HSTE : February 2nd, 2016-13:23
.........and I will more closely check on that "lightly engraved" bit of your message. As a quick fix, I can for now up-load another picture in which you see clearly that the color of the bezel, screws around the bezel and the crown is warmer and differen...  

I see the color difference...

 
 By: rdenney : February 3rd, 2016-06:12
and I suppose stranger things have happened. I do not see the same difference on my much-later 1911 Senior with the steel bezel (9080241). But I'm still struggling with that technical reference number. Ebel was usually pretty good about such things in the... 

Not lots of proof of evidence but if you...

 
 By: HSTE : February 6th, 2016-05:26
go into Google and type: my first grail Maximilian you will get an interview with Maximilian Büsser, the owner of MB&F.