The watch that saved the El Primero...

Jan 31, 2016,14:19 PM
 

I have an ad from a US magazine for this watch, dated 1983 (when the caliber number would have been 3019PHC, in addition to Ebel caliber 134), "intelligently priced" at $1995. That was, of course, more than the Daytona, and the ref. 1134901 Ebel remained the pricier alternative throughout its life. Would that Ebel's importance had sustained that position, though I confess I have ridiculously benefitted from their diminishment.

This one, with a Zenith caliber 40.0 (made in 1986 per Rössler), used the link bracelet designed for the 1911 series, which came out that year. It's one of the highlights of my extensive Ebel collection. And it's the watch I would wear if I ever had an opportunity to meet Pierre-Alain Blum.



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Zenith El Primero in a different wrapping......

 
 By: HSTE : January 31st, 2016-13:48
......would you all remember? "Les architects du temps"? Ebel Chronos with Zenith El Primero in the engine room Steel and white gold Steel and white gold 'Mixed'...  

The watch that saved the El Primero...

 
 By: rdenney : January 31st, 2016-14:19
I have an ad from a US magazine for this watch, dated 1983 (when the caliber number would have been 3019PHC, in addition to Ebel caliber 134), "intelligently priced" at $1995. That was, of course, more than the Daytona, and the ref. 1134901 Ebel remained ...  

one of the most beautiful chronographs ever made.

 
 By: Rodad : January 31st, 2016-18:29
....just an opinion but I wonder if my fellow collectors feel the same. The 1911 chronograph with Zenith movement is like an art sculpture. Clean curves, outstanding design and incredible dial and of course a movement that is rarely rivaled today at 36,60...  

No. I had just removed the strap in the photo.

 
 By: Rodad : January 31st, 2016-19:48
Wouldn't dare drilling this masterpiece

Lovely watch...

 
 By: rdenney : February 1st, 2016-09:36
...and I did see one recently that was either a fake or had been drilled for a standard strap. The integral straps are part of what makes the strapped versions of these cases have such design integrity. This one was in their 2005 catalog: ...  

Totally agree

 
 By: Rodad : February 1st, 2016-20:42
....the design is incredibly intricate and integrated. That said Ebel must have one of sadest endings in the archives of swiss watch making. Unfortunately today it has become unreconizable with designs that are almost indistinguishable from Fossil and che... 

It's not as bad as all that...

 
 By: rdenney : February 1st, 2016-21:43
While their pictures of this watch make it look utterly uninspired, in person it is quite beautiful, or really from any angle that shows its actual shape. Only Ebel would finish a watch in this way, even though it does not follow the Sport Classic pattern...  

Ebel cal 134

 
 By: chippytime : February 2nd, 2016-08:22
These Ebels are now very underrated unless in all gold. Such a shame because Ebel recued Zenith over the Primero. Now I do not bother to look at the website becaue they have lost their way. I have two calibre 134's; rather tatty old photos attached. Sorry...  

Some more pix and additional info.....

 
 By: HSTE : February 2nd, 2016-11:42
.....cool, when I opened this thread and posted the pictures I did it quite hastedly and did not count on many views or reactions. Therefore just some additons: 1st Generation Ebel El Primero: there were several "generations". I specifically hunted steel/...  

Fascinating information indeed!!!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : February 2nd, 2016-12:56
It is a true pleasure to follow this thread and learn from you all. This exchange brought back sweet memories from my time as a PhD student, when I seriously contemplated an Ebel watch with the El Primero. Back then they where more expensive than the orig... 

Are you sure that bezel is white gold?

 
 By: rdenney : February 2nd, 2016-13:08
If it was, the technical reference should be 1134901. Ebel used the same technical referencing scheme from their beginnings until just a couple of years ago. The first 1 is "gold and steel", digits two to four ("134") are the caliber number, and "901" is ... 

Wow, this is a real expert view I must admit.....

 
 By: HSTE : February 2nd, 2016-13:23
.........and I will more closely check on that "lightly engraved" bit of your message. As a quick fix, I can for now up-load another picture in which you see clearly that the color of the bezel, screws around the bezel and the crown is warmer and differen...  

I see the color difference...

 
 By: rdenney : February 3rd, 2016-06:12
and I suppose stranger things have happened. I do not see the same difference on my much-later 1911 Senior with the steel bezel (9080241). But I'm still struggling with that technical reference number. Ebel was usually pretty good about such things in the... 

Not lots of proof of evidence but if you...

 
 By: HSTE : February 6th, 2016-05:26
go into Google and type: my first grail Maximilian you will get an interview with Maximilian Büsser, the owner of MB&F.