Mark in Paris
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Well, I'm not a watchmaker
and as it is not a feature I need, I didn't dig much into it. When people were asking about it here I discussed with a salesperson I know and who has a watchmaking training.
He explained quite frankly how it worked, the upsides and downsides, in general.
I don't know what the real impact is in seconds but I just meant that knowing that and how you wear a watch, the "accuracy" one is looking for while using a Hacking second feature, may not be that interesting in the end. It is more convenient for synchronizing the minute and second hands than a tru accuracy, imho, especially as mechanical watches loose or gain 1 or more seconds per day, thus are not accurate anymore.
That's all.
It is a little like when we share accuracies of our watches. I don't believe the regularity of a +x/-y seconds as it depends so much on the way you will be moving during the period you'll be wearing it. And I don't count the type of shocks it will receive etc... Each day is different and I don't think it is that precise. That's why I prefer an average over a month for instance.
And I think this is more of a practicle feature to set it, even if not 1-second accurate.
About the hacking feature, it may be 1/2 or 2 seconds, I really don't know and I totally understand people for whom it is an important feature for a watch.
Yes, people can also push the crown at 58 or 59, it might still be better but not that accurate either. They are mechanical watches only so I think that an owner should be taking some distance with hacking features regarding the accuracy aspect.
That's all I meant, things to take into account in order to put things in perspective.
As I said, the caliber 324 is an old movement, as the 240 is, and this feature wasn't implemented at that time and I'm not sure they want to redesign the caliber to implement a function that I don't feel a significant part of the client are asking for. Maybe in the next generations of movement (like the 31-260 already has compared to the 240), but not even sure...
But I totally understand your point as well.
Best, Mark
PS: As a sidenote, I'm not that confident about what I read on the net regarding watches. A habit can spread widely if it looks logical without necessarily being accurate. Take the oiling issues for instance, hands change during servicing etc... Things we wouldn't think about at first but that are logical when taken another way. You see this in many other fields too.
That's why I think that people think sometimes what they do is the right way, without suspecting what they miss.
324SC movement
Hi to all, Probably this has been discuss before, does anyone know why the above movement does not have a second hacking function? Since this is the base movement for so many reference for Patek, I would presume it is a simple basic function to have. Than...
In fact there are a few elements
First, the usual hacking mechanism is a stem stoping quite strongly the balance wheel movement. Knowing how fragile and difficult to set these parts are, it is not the best if used often. Furthermore, knowing that the aim of having a hacking second featur...
The 29-535 and all derivate are hacking, 31-260 REG AQ (rulator annual calendar) and my personal all time favorite movement ...
... the CHR 27-525 PS which is the movement of the 5959 and all derivate. Did I forget one? Best Moritz
Thanks Moritz!
Patek doesn't seem to mention this feature on the existing movement in its website, it's not that easy to get and I always forget which model is equiped with it. I think you gathered most of them. I don't know about the Minute-Repeaters models that usuall...
How cound I forget the 5200G!
Thank you for the reminder. The 5200G was and is a piece that comes and goes into my mind still quite often. Best Moritz
Sorry, Mark, but I really do have to challenge your remark about the balance wheel needing seconds to return to its normal state.
This is sheer fallacy, and one that can be easily proven as such. Set your watch, hacked of course, and return the crown to date or winding position at the time you’re syncing to ( for example), then compare the time 1, 2, or even 5 minutes later. I’ll be...
Well, I'm not a watchmaker
and as it is not a feature I need, I didn't dig much into it. When people were asking about it here I discussed with a salesperson I know and who has a watchmaking training. He explained quite frankly how it worked, the upsides and downsides, in general. ...
Thanks guys for the response.....
If it is detrimental to the balance wheel why so many other are doing so, I just wonder. Could it be a case of not necessary to update this very old movement as i find it a very useful feature for timing the watch. But of course, it will not stop me from ...
I find non hacking movements good, actually
Hacking movements are used in wars by pilots and that is why I do not like pilot's watches. Non hacking movements are fitting the main purpose of a watch of these magnitude better: existing just for the joy of it. Best Moritz
It's a good point, Moritz.
However, if non-hacking then I even prefer to not have a running seconds. That would do just perfectly well and it makes setting time much easier as well. I'm always bothered when the minute hand is not set so it is sync'ed with the seconds hand, i.e. at ...
Same feeling here about a non second hand watches, CC
Whether a time only, perpetual calendar or other complicated watch: always my preference without a second hand.
