hello, if you visit my web www.watchesibiza.com, I,m owner of some pateks minutes, 5078p, 3974J and old pocket patek minute, but I like a 3939 because is smaller, and also is a disguided watch, I don,t love the big,s watches, the Patek dealer, can,t offer a 3939 before 3 years, to long time to wait..........