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Aesthetically, I'm not fond of the new seal's logo design...
Mar 31, 2009,23:22 PM
I think the new seal looks way too much Rolls-Royce-esque. Then again, there aren't many ways to make such a seal, you can't do two symmetrical Ps back to back (it'd look like the Plaza Hotel New York logo).
I can't say yet that I think this new seal is a good thing in my opinion. Why does a Patek Philippe need its own seal? Simply having Patek Philippe written on the dial (or on the case for a very few special models) already implies the Patek Philippe Seal.
The problem is that the PP seal isn't looked at as a third party entity (although the Stern family wants to spin it off as a third party entity). I agree that Pateks are finished to better quality than other brands that bear the Geneva Seal, but I was willing to accept that. To have a Patek Philippe seal is redundant.
The Geneva Seal is still something to be coveted.
What I'm saying is that I'd rather have a Patek that has the Geneva Seal and quietly live with the fact that it's better than other watches that also bear the Geneva Seal.
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On the other side...
By: Dje : April 4th, 2009-14:21
Hi Patrick, Of course you are free to like the new Seal design or not and the idea of a PP Seal or not! I don't dislike the new Seal (I still have to see it live) and find it quite modern and nicely simply looking! On the fact of having a PP Seal, of cour...
The finish is indeed superb
By: Dje : April 4th, 2009-14:30
Hi, The finish of the Datograph is indeed superb, but can I ask you why you think that it is superior to what Patek Philippe makes, for instance in the 5070? Not that I have a definitive answer, but as a subject of discussion of course! Cheers Dje
Certainly but....
By: Dje : April 4th, 2009-14:25
Hi, As I see it the problem of Patek Philippe is to leave a Seal and position itself above! So if they want to compare to a Seal they feel they need another Seal, their Seal in this case! Not for us WIS or addicted collectors that know the brand very well...
Other obvious reasons?
By: Tick Talk : March 31st, 2009-18:11
The most obvious reason, logically speaking, to opt out of the Geneva Seal is the requirement that the movements be constructed in Geneva! Will this new PP seal have the same requirement? Or is there a long term strategy to move from Geneva, for which we ...
Nice write up, Jerome
By: amanico : March 31st, 2009-22:27
Now we'll see if it will be enough to avoid the problems of reliability seen on the recent watches... To say all, I think that the 2d reason is more evident than the first one. When a brand like PP comunnicates from decades about " EXCELLENCE ", it doesn'...
Of course there is marketing
By: Dje : April 4th, 2009-15:00
Hi Nicolas, Of course there is marketing! It is just efficient because this marketing is based on a true commitment and experience of quality. Regarding quality problems, I suppose Patek Philippe has some like the others, but do we have any evidence to sa...
If
By: patrickau : April 1st, 2009-00:00
If the PP seal is used: 1. For all PP watches and 2. Only exclusively for PP watches than it has no difference from Patek Philippe "brand" or "logo". The seal would just mean that all watches are built to internal factory standards. IMHO, no such need for...
Well said.... but....
By: happy_wis : April 1st, 2009-08:55
the reason the "stamping" of the PP seal is better executed than the Geneva Seal is because, I believe, the PP seal is NOT STAMPED on the plate. In fact, it should be made by something like Computer Numerical Controlled Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
Agree...but
By: patrickau : April 1st, 2009-19:41
I agree with you that: 1. Hand execution is more desirable than machining. 2. The Geneva Seal design is more beautiful. Looks more old-school flag-like. More details. The PP seal looks like the logo some mega brands have. 3. Collectors will love to have t...
I must say
By: patrickau : April 1st, 2009-19:11
I must say that the seals found on your watches are very impressive. The photo I got was from the 3919 review by John: http://www.tp178.com/jd/patek-3919/index.html Quote: Ironically, the Geneva Seal was poorly executed, with ill-defined edges and an unev...
No!
By: Dje : April 4th, 2009-15:10
Hi Patrick, AFAIK the Patek Philippe Seal is going to be reserved for Patek Philippe watches. The Seal is different from the brand through the Comite that is supposed to warranty that the quality is there. Plus you should not forget that a Seal means comm...
This is great news.
By: KCLQMULKU : April 1st, 2009-01:07
There are numerous criticisms mentioned including the possibility of bias, elitism, advertising/marketing hype, et al. But how can science, technology and passion move forward without one group within choosing to take that very step into the unknown. I be...
pp seal
By: jgarcia570 : April 1st, 2009-07:38
hi, i think it has been a bold action from pp to change the seal to pp seal and leave the geneva seal. i tthink every patek watch has sort of a pp seal sinse is made with the best materials available and also under impacable precision. i have always been ...
no need for a new seal
By: af : April 1st, 2009-17:09
I share the sentiment that there's really no need for a new seal. Actually, PP should stand behind their products and the PP signature on the dial / movement should be sufficient to guarantee the quality of their products. I am worried that they are now d...
Don't worry
By: Dje : April 4th, 2009-15:47
Hi, Apparently the new Patek Philippe Seal definition of service will concern all watches coming back for service, particularly for those being less than 30 years old! Hopefully you'll get better sevice than up to now! Cheers Dje
Indeed but....
By: Dje : April 8th, 2009-03:21
Hi, Of course new customers will not open the case but…… …….you have more and more watches with see-through back! J …….trust PP to communicate about the seal, what they are already doing with a new advertising campaign!...
"Subtle" coincidence ?
By: NJ : April 3rd, 2009-06:15
The juxtaposition of the two "P's" was of course first seen on the rotor of the calibre 12-600. Whether it was a coincidence at the time (as now with the new "seal) remains a question but the similarity with the famous Rolls Royce emblem is unquestionable...
it's just another logo
By: ei8htohms : April 9th, 2009-21:53
Hi Dje, I hope that you are right and that this is a legitimate effort by Patek to recommit themselves to the highest quality standards, but I just can't see it in that light. Companies redefine themselves all the time by clarifying or rewriting their mis...