Patek Philippe

hello everyone i am a newbie and would like some help we recently bought a patek philippe wristwatch at a local swap meet here in california and not sure what model,year and if its real! please help. we opened the back and it says depose patek philippe geneve swiss 0.750, 900782 or 900762 and then a number that reads 626250 we found a picture on the net very similar to ours its a reference 590 but our is a diferent color.we now the band is not the original and we think the case is 18k gold.

 

any help is appreciated!

 

thanks

Could we see some pics of the movement. The numbers you quoted sound like the case number but there is usually a 2 or 3 digit reference number as well. The movement should also have a number.

Julian

hi,

o.k. we will try to post some pics of movement asap. if it turns out to be a real patek what would it be worth??

thanks

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Posted By: watch-guy.com (registered) on January 29th, 2008 - 19:59

Title: 99.9% of these posts turn out to be fakes but this could be real 

This one looks probably from the 40's, there's the swiss hallmark on one of the lugs. I'm not an expert, but I collect vintage watches. Would like to see the movements, I'm starting to learn more about the different calibers.

hi,

great! what would you guess its worth??

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Posted By: ovennexc (registered) on January 29th, 2008 - 21:20

Title: Looks like an early Patek to me 

I cannot give prices, but some helpful tips. please do not run the Patek, as the oils dries out over time. This will cause wear on the movements, running a watch not serviced can cause extensive damage. Make sure if you decide to service your watch, that they're wostep certified/or patek philippe. You should send for archive papers from Patek philippe, this will help with resale of your watch. Costly but the Major auction houses will get the best prices. If you need money right away, dealers are out to make money, and they may not give you a great amount. Be careful....

hi,

so it is a real authentic patek?

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Posted By: ovennexc (registered) on January 30th, 2008 - 09:24

Title: pricing on vintage patek 

hi,

great thanks archive papers how do we ask for that and where? we are in southern california los angeles area.how much does that cost? and what model,year,calibre is this watch??

thanks again.

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Posted By: ovennexc (registered) on January 30th, 2008 - 09:24

Title: pricing on vintage patek 

we will open it and try to take some close up pics of movement.
thanks

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Posted By: ovennexc (registered) on January 29th, 2008 - 21:20

Title: Looks like an early Patek to me 

o.k. here are the photos hope they are clear enough to see i wish i could take photos like yours.

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Posted By: Dje (registered) on January 29th, 2008 - 22:49

Title: Here is what I find! 

It sure looks like a genuine Patek caliber to me.
As far as the value, I will leave it up to the vintage experts here.

Hi,

Thank you for your pics.

Any idea why it seems that "Patek Philippe" is kind of stamped twice inside teh case back?

Is it a picture effect or is it truly like that? It seems strange;

Where did you see the ref number 590?

Cheers

Dje

No reference number but that is not a problem.Looks like a 1461

Double stamped MAY suggest it is not an original but I cannot be sure. There is a case number and a movement number . Best bet is to get an extract from PP to confirm originality. The key stamp relates to the case maker. There is usually a number in the key stamp.

Nice find. Dial look s good as well

Best of luck

Julian

Julian

how do we get a get an extract from PP to confirm originality?i am in california and how much does that cost?

Go to google, type in key word. This will get you to right place, this is a real patek as far as i can tell. Really nice, but hope I'm following the rules real close on this watch forum. Not really concerned with the the double struck patek philippe on case, this happens. But the archive paperwork will give you everything you need. Sorry if I'm being a little vague, email me directly [Email address suppressed for privacy].

hi,

great thanks who can i trust? should i use a dealer or send it directly to patek?

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Posted By: ovennexc (registered) on January 30th, 2008 - 15:04

Title: You can check with patek philippe 

This way they can service the watch, and you can request the archive paperwork. I'm looking up the watch, but I don't have my reference material with me. My brother has this in New Mexico, he's supposed to come down in March or april. Hope he doesn't forget, normally I don't belong to any watchsites/ or any forums. But I'm starting to enjoy this, as this site has alot of knowledgeable people.

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On your lucky purchase!  How rare and wonderful to find a gem at a swapmeet and obtain it for a reasonable price, from what I'm guessing.

On another note, just to let you know, the purists don't discuss price or value here on this forum.  We come to learn, share and appreciate watches.  If you'd like to get it valued, I suggest you either do some research from previous watch auctions or else take it to an authorized Patek dealer who can help you. 

Best of luck!
m

hi,

so whats the final word? model, year, calibre?
thanks again for the info!

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Posted By: Meehna (registered) on January 30th, 2008 - 07:21

Title: Congratulations! 

Hi there

 I am Pretty sure that your watch is a genuine Patek Philippe, Ref. 1413 from the 1940s. There were several variations (steel, steel and yellow gold, yellow gold and rose gold). Yours seems to be the rose gold and thus the prettiest of them all - in my humble opinion.

Quite a find you made there.

Patek Philippe & Cie, Genève, Ref. 1413, 1940's. Very fine, 18ct gold gentleman's wristwatch.

C. massive, polished, teardrop lugs. D. with applied gold indexes and Arabic numerals + auxiliary seconds dial. "Bâton" gold hands. M. 10"'-105 rhodiumed, "fausses côtes" decoration, 18 jewels, lever escapement, cut bimetallic balance, flat balance-spring. Dial, case and movement signed. Diam. 29 mm. (from Aniquorum.com).

This picture is from the book by Oswaldo Patrizzi "Collecting Patek Philippe Wristwatches", page 91, No. 397.
Hope to have been of help. Enjoy that beauty! Send it to PP Geneva, have it serviced and get an extract from the archives. This piece is intended to be a family heir. Pass it over to your son etc.

Best regards

Eric09

hi,

wow!!!!!! great thanks for the great info it looks just like mine and yes its a beauty especially in rose gold what do you think pp would charge for service/archives and a band?and how much should i insure it for and how to send it??

god speed,

alonso

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Posted By: Eric09 (registered) on February 2nd, 2008 - 02:49

Title: It's a Ref. 1413 from the '40's 

About the value: Check at www.antiquorum.com. They have a data  base with all transactions of the last 1o years or so. There are several Ref. 1413 sold in the last years. Just type "Patek 1413" in the respective box of the welcome page and all auctioned pieces will show. You will be surprised about the value ... if it's in good condition.

You should send the watch to Patek Philippe Geneva by DHL and ask them for an offer for the overhaul. The result will please you, that's for sure. The watch will look like new. Ask them for an extract of the archives, which will cost about 100 USD, but it's well worth it!  If ever you would have to sell the piece, it will be recognised as genuine and therefore more valuable.

An alligator strap is about USD 200. Make sure the AD also changes the buckle, which is rose gold as well!

Please show us some photos after you have received it back from Geneva.

Best regards

Eric09