Honey Gold Patina...

 By: CR : March 3rd, 2016-22:44
Now we can see what honey gold looks like as it patinates. My local Lange AD just received a new honey gold 1815 200th anniversary (ref. no. 236.050) in stock, so I took the opportunity to compare it to a honey gold 1815 moonphase (ref. no. 212.050) that was made 4 years ago, in early 2011. As you can see below, Lange's honey gold becomes quite yellow over time.

The darker, separate tang buckle is from the 4-year-old honey gold 1815 moonphase. This buckle has been stored in a small plastic zip-loc bag for the past 4 years. One of the salesmen at the AD said that it developed a particularly dark patina (compared to the 4-year-old honey gold 1815 moonphase watch head, which was not stored in plastic) because of the buckle's proximity to petroleum products that were used to make the plastic bag. As you can see, that older tang buckle is VERY dark. I was shocked when I first saw it -- I couldn't believe my eyes (in a good way, because I really like yellow gold).

Also note in the top photo that Lange used the smaller 16mm buckle in the old honey gold 1815 moonphase, whereas they used the significantly larger 16mm buckle in the new honey gold 1815 200th anniversary. Lange has used 2 different sizes of 16mm tang buckles for many years depending upon the watch.

Very interesting! [nt]

 By: amanico : March 3rd, 2016-22:52
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Very cool comparison photos, how I wish I can have that other one to compare in future. [nt]

 By: Clueless_Collector : March 3rd, 2016-23:02
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Thank you for that comparison...

 By: shortys home : March 3rd, 2016-23:24
... and I'm happy for you that you actually seem to like the patina.

Frankly, I personally would feel disappointment with the special colour of honey gold vanishing into a classic yellow gold tone. Isn't the unique honey gold colour the USP of those watches?

Am I right in assuming that a slight polish would bring out the original tone?


Apologies -- it's a 5-year patina, not 4-year patina...

 By: CR : March 3rd, 2016-23:42
... and I'd imagine a polish would indeed restore the original tone. I never polish watches, though, as I like to watch them age, develop battle scars, etc. I certainly understand how one might be disappointed, though, if you're in love with the original color. And of course many people have that same reaction to YG and RG. I was speaking with someone recently who was talking about how much he dislikes RG after it has developed a patina.

Thank you for your intersting observations

 By: COUNT DE MONET : March 4th, 2016-01:35
With this in mind I compared today my 1815 mp to my Ellipse in yellow gold again and yes, it has changed nearer to yellow gold.
In 2010 the 1815 was in bright daylight nearly colourless, I remember clearly, and only in ambient light quite yellow looking.
But still: even now it is lighter shade than yellow gold and not typical rose gold at the same time.
Funny that I have just yesterday polished my Ellipse completely and also a bit the 1815: honey gold is really harder!
For the Ellpise a simple cotton based polisher alone was sufficient enough to polish.
With the 1815 I needed a bison hair polisher and polishing paste, the cotton polisher did not do anything to the honey gold.
Moritz This message has been edited by COUNT DE MONET on 2016-03-04 01:37:29 This message has been edited by COUNT DE MONET on 2016-03-04 01:37:54

Lange did not claim that honey gold is exidation free

 By: COUNT DE MONET : March 4th, 2016-01:27
The clam was that is harder than average gold. That an alloy is changing and developing patina is inevitable. Best Moritz

I am not sure how I feel about this.

 By: TheMadDruid : March 4th, 2016-02:49
While I like yellow (and Lange's in particular-at least when matches with its Champagne dial) I am in love with the straw-like quality of the HG. The beauty (for me) is in that very unique paleness. Much like an Irish Lass.

Like some . . .

 By: drhr : March 4th, 2016-11:06
I much prefer the original lustre.  My 1815 FA Lange LE has darkened too, I wish it would/could emain the original lighter hue w/o polishing ecause it looks so much more unique to my eyes but, oh well . . 

Yes indeed, the color loses its uniqueness. That's a perfect summary statement. [nt]

 By: CR : March 5th, 2016-10:31
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I am interested to know.....

 By: sc16 : March 8th, 2016-21:22
whether the patina still enables the wide color variances when the watch is looked at in different lighting conditions. I loved the fact that the hg is a color that moves along the full spectrum of yellow/rose gold towards white gold depending on how the lighting falls upon the watch.

I may very well be one of the persons that could be disappointed if this would no longer apply, as the honeygold (color variances) is indeed one of the unique elements of the watch; on the other hand, it's a non-complicated 3-handed LE Lange!

Perhaps I should see it in real life to understand the effect of the patina better.

Thank you so much for sharing this comparison as it gives insight on how things changes over time.


Thought I'd share a pic with shows exactly what I mean...look at color variance on the minute hand
Thought I'd share a pic with shows exactly what I mean...look at color variance on the minute hand

This message has been edited by sc16 on 2016-03-08 21:36:49

I never noticed any greater variation with honey gold...

 By: CR : March 8th, 2016-21:36
... vs. yellow or rose gold in different lighting conditions, even when the honey gold 1815 moonphase was new. For example, when I visit my local Lange AD, I often can't tell whether pieces are YG or RG when I look at them in the store lighting. The hue of the patinated honey gold watch still falls somewhere between the hues of patinated YG and patinated RG. It's just so much darker than it was originally that you'd never compare it to WG.

Umh surprised does it mean that...

 By: christianch : March 20th, 2016-11:21
Honey gold will not meep the original hue over time and turn very close to yellow gold?

I still have not compared patinated (older) HG with non-patinated (newer) YG, to see if they're similar...

 By: CR : March 20th, 2016-11:56
All I can say for sure is that patinated HG definitely becomes yellower over time, but it's still not as yellow as patinated YG. I very much want to find a newer YG piece, to see how patinated HG looks in comparison. But because YG is not so popular today, my nearest AD doesn't have any new YG pieces -- just RG, WG, PT, and HG in their case.

thanks but was the moonphase honey gold...

 By: christianch : March 20th, 2016-13:16
of the same tone of the new 1815 in HG ? the transformation is incredible so I am just wondering if it was ever that pale or perhaps lange changed the specification of HG over time..

Yes, same pale color when new. [nt]

 By: CR : March 20th, 2016-23:23
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Spectacular. But I would have preferred to see HG keeping its original and so subtle color. [nt]

 By: amanico : July 8th, 2019-22:53
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