Vintage
Dear friends, I am new to VCs. I have always wanted to add a VC to my collection and came across this beautiful Rose Gold piece which I was told is a Patrimony Grand Taille. I have bough one piece from this seller before (Patek; I had it authenticated subsequently). It seems the real deal but I just
Dear friends, I am new to VCs. I have always wanted to add a VC to my collection and came across this beautiful Rose Gold piece which I was told is a Patrimony Grand Taille. I have bough one piece from this seller before (Patek; I had it authenticated subsequently). It seems the real deal but I just wanted to get your sagely views on the piece as I am unfamiliar with VCs; its quality/worth etc. I have posted the relevant pics with the movement etc. One of my concerns is the unsigned crown but I have seen image of other VCs like this. I am being offered it for around GBP 3000. The details are: Serial No: 366500. Ref 6317. Cal 1001 (which I understand is an excellent movement). I look forward to your views. With many thanks. Stevie
I have owned a number of vintage V&C over many years, though have never focussed on ultra-thin models. I do not believe that the seller's characterization of the model is correct. He is referring to a much more contemporary model line than that of the watch shown. The subject watch does appears to be genuine, original, and attractive, but it was simply an ultra-thin, and likely from the late 1950s. It is a reference 6317, as engraved on the inside of the case back. Valuations are not suppose
This Reference 6317, was produced around 1957. Movement Number 553...??? (should be completed) Movement 1001 for non US sale (+) Diameter 20,80 mm (9''') Height 2,94 mm (is flat, not extra flat (is 1,64 mm)) Without shock protection (early variant of this movement), (-) but for a dress watch not needed. Frequency 18.000 1/min Adjusted for heat, cold, isochronism and 5 positions (+) But no Poinçon de Genève on the bridge or main plate (-), but actually the main plate with the movement number is v
-1 Poinçon de Genève (usually on two positions) -2 Movement number -A valuation is usually based on covetousness (attraction) and availability, between seller and buyer. It's always good to question what you get e.g. a watch w/wo flaws, w/wo a gold buckle or gold bracelet, which is in need of a service/spares/dial refinish/bracelet - and to add this future needs also on the transaction costs.
First after collecting as may facts as possible, you should compare those facts to other available samples carefully. Sources could be auction houses, offers for sale available in the internet, different forums - there are some V&C dedicated ones. Don't trust just only one source or opinion, otherwise you are probably easily fooled. Furthermore there is a order of relevance how the facts count on valuation of a certain sample. The top relevance in your case (it is not an super rare ref.) is
In my opinion, if you recognise the differences between the movements, it has actual little influence on the valuation of your V&C sample, because your ref. 6317 has almost certainly not been produced with different cal. 1001 movement variants. All those movements are regarded the top of the best manual movements of that time, they just reflect the technical progress in shock protection and balance design. Usually the most recent variant is expected the best, what is certainly true - but it
Thank you, Timeset, for your very informative and well-illustrated posts about what to look for when purchasing a vintage VC. I just acquired a circa1959 Patrimony Ref. 4961 (I believe) with caliber K1003 (not -1 or -2), and your recent posts are very helpful as I research the net for information about that model. Ano Nuevo
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