Spotting a Fake Patek Philippe Astronomical in the Wild: A Collector's Account
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Spotting a Fake Patek Philippe Astronomical in the Wild: A Collector's Account

By @Patek_Ambassador · Mar 27, 2020 · 31 replies
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In a fascinating encounter, @Patek_Ambassador shares a firsthand account of spotting a counterfeit Patek Philippe Astronomical timepiece. This post delves into the subtle yet telling details that distinguish genuine luxury watches from their imitations, offering valuable insights for collectors and enthusiasts alike. His experience highlights the importance of connoisseurship in a market increasingly challenged by sophisticated fakes.

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So I was at a cigar lounge today and a guy here noticed my Patek 5130R world time, which is rare since no one ever recognizes it. Then he rolled up his sleeve and presented me what appeared to be something like a sky moon Tourbillon/astronomical Patek. Immediately I began noticing details indicating it was fake and well below standards of Patek, but did not comment as such. I asked to try it on and he obliged and I took two photos of it. I asked when he applied for it, as I had believed such a timepiece was by application. He said he knew a guy at Patek in Geneva. Okay. The astronomical case back was so atrocious, made only worse by the seemingly plain unpolished aluminum Deployant. It even had a missing screw on the lug holding the strap on. I said it was a nice watch and handed it back, absolutely perplexed why one would wear a fake Patek, especially one that pushed million dollar territory. Photos below...












About the Patek Philippe Ref. 5130

The Patek Philippe Complications reference 5130, introduced in 2006, is a World Time watch that succeeded the popular reference 5110. This model maintained the distinctive World Time complication, allowing for simultaneous display of time in 24 different time zones. Its design evolved with a slightly larger case and updated dial aesthetics, distinguishing it from its predecessor while retaining the core functionality that defines Patek Philippe's travel timepieces. It was produced until 2017.

The watch features an 18k rose gold case measuring 39.5mm in diameter and 9.8mm in thickness, housing the self-winding Caliber 240 HU movement. This ultra-thin movement, visible through a sapphire crystal case back, provides a power reserve of 48 hours. The dial is silver or opaline with a guilloché center, protected by a sapphire crystal. Water resistance is rated at 30 meters.

Reference 5130 appeals to collectors seeking a sophisticated travel complication from Patek Philippe. Its larger case size compared to the 5110 offered a more contemporary presence on the wrist, while its classic World Time mechanism remained a hallmark of the brand's technical prowess. The model was available in various precious metals, with the rose gold variant offering a warm aesthetic.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.240 HU
Case
18k rose gold
Diameter
39.5mm
Dial
Silver / opaline guilloché
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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sham1
Mar 27, 2020

Firstly for spotting that the watch was a fake and secondly for being so discreet and diplomatic with its owner. If I was wearing a fake Patek, I would feel most apprehensive at showing the watch to someone wearing a Patek for fear that my secret would be revealed. Many would wear a fake Patek but I think the worst thing here is not wearing a fake Patek but lying about how he acquired the watch!

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Costa (aka Connie)
Mar 27, 2020

Do you think the man knew it was fake? Maybe he was duped into purchasing it at a real discount. You never know these days.

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sham1
Mar 27, 2020

if the man was duped into purchasing a million euro watch because anyone keen on such a timepiece would be familiar with the ordering process and the fact that the watch would not be subject to a discount. I believe to buy such a timepiece one would have to own a number of new Pateks first and even then be subject to a vetting process.

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Costa (aka Connie)
Mar 27, 2020

Happy Friday to all.

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LiftAngle51
Mar 27, 2020

The guy do not know watch complications we know, so fake watch owners are less interested in watches. Status and a famous names are for them more worth, than the love for techniques. If a fake watch owner simply is a victim of a criminal, this is another story. So be careful, and check all before you buy a watch.

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Costa (aka Connie)
Mar 27, 2020

I agree. Non watch people look for the name and aspire to that. They don’t care much of the history of the brand and it’s artistic value.

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