Rolex Submariner 116610LV vs. Vintage Subs
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Rolex Submariner 116610LV vs. Vintage Subs

By Subexplorer · Feb 9, 2014 · 27 replies
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Subexplorer's post offers a compelling comparison between his modern Rolex Ceramic Submariner (Ref. 116610) and his cherished vintage Submariners. His detailed observations on size, weight, and aesthetic differences provide invaluable insights for collectors weighing the merits of contemporary versus classic Rolex dive watches. This discussion is particularly relevant for those who appreciate the evolution of an iconic reference while holding a soft spot for heritage pieces.

Inspired by the enthusiastic reports of our dear friend Baron with the latest rendition of Rolex classic GMT, I decided to give another try to my Ceramic Submariner green dial.(Ref 116610)

I bought this watch a few years ago, one of the first to reach my Country. I liked the timepiece very much, specially the highly polish finish, and the ceramic bezel. The watch is very impressive indeed, and it exudes quality at every angle you look at it.

And though I´m not a technique expert, I have no doubt that the movement, new stainless steel and water proof quality are all characteristics highly improved with reference to previous offerings of the Submariner model. The new bracelet and adjusting and closing system is a work of art.

In spite of all these positive impressions this watch gave me, I never could fell in love as I fell with my previous models. It is no secret that I love Submariners, but I am specially fond of the vintage ones, like my 5508, 5513 and 1680. Thus the new Sub in my collection received very little use.

I get such a different feeling wearing one of the oldies on my wrist! They are lighter in weight, and feel much smaller, though the new Submariner is not really much bigger. Not to mention the charming qualities of a vintage, their patina, etc.

I tried the Ceramic Sub during all this week end, together with my old 1680 Red Sub, and my 16613 TT Submariner, which I weared on my right wrist (under my shirt cuff to avoid any funny question from onlookers!)

The Ceramic looks bigger mainly due to the thicker crown guards, and thick lugs, otherwise the lug span is the same in the three brothers: 47,5 mm. And the diameter of its bezel keeps the same 40 mm of the 16613.

The watches got a difference in the width between tips of lugs: 25 mm in the 1680 and 16613 and 28 mm in the Ceramic version.

Tips of lugs is thicker too: 2,8 mm on the 1680, 3 mm on the 16613 and 4 mm on the Ceramic version.  This also contributes to the "bigger" image of the new watch.

Weights are 104 grams for the 1680, 149 grams for the 16613TT, and 151 grams for the Ceramic. When you are accustomed to wear a 5513 and a 1680 for more that 40 years like me, you really feel the difference in weight!

I´m happy Rolex didn´t follow the trend of making the new Submariner a much bigger timepiece, as I feel the measures of the original model 5513/1680 are the ideal ones. I do not really like the trend of the last years of bigger and bigger watches.

I will keep wearing my Ceramic Submariner during the next week, and will try to get to love it as much as I love its old brothers. It is a great watch though it definitively lacks the charm of a vintage Submariner.

My previous scuba diving watch was my 14060M as I didn´t wish to risk any of my vintage Subs. I think the Ceramic Sub will be an ideal diving companion to replace that one.

I wish you´ll enjoy the pictures!
Best cordial regards, Abel.

































This message has been edited by Subexplorer on 2014-02-09 16:39:29

About the Rolex Submariner Ref. 5513

The Rolex Submariner reference 5513 is a notable example within the Submariner line, distinguished by its two-line dial and lack of a date complication. Produced for an extended period, it represents a core offering for collectors seeking a straightforward and robust tool watch. Its design emphasizes legibility and functionality, aligning with the original purpose of the Submariner series. This reference is recognized for its consistent aesthetic throughout its production run, with subtle variations in dial text and bezel inserts.

The watch features a 40mm stainless steel Oyster case, offering durability and water resistance suitable for its intended use. Powering the reference 5513 is the automatic Caliber 1520 movement, known for its reliability. The crystal is acrylic, contributing to the vintage character of the watch. The unidirectional rotating bezel, typically with an aluminum insert, allows for elapsed time measurement.

For collectors, the reference 5513 is a significant model due to its long production history and the various dial iterations, such as gilt and matte dials, which present distinct collecting opportunities. Its appeal lies in its foundational design and its position as a non-date Submariner, making it a desirable piece for those who appreciate the model's original form. The watch is often paired with an Oyster bracelet, completing its functional aesthetic.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.1520
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
40mm
Dial
Black gilt
Water Resist.
200m
Crystal
Acrylic

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SU
Subexplorer
Feb 9, 2014

... deserve some wrist scans too! Here they are: 1680 Red, and 16613TT. I find the color of this dial, the most amazing blue of any watch ever. I bought this watch brand new, when I learned it was discontinued and replaced by the new ceramic blue version, which I personally do not like as much as this one. Of course, it is only a very subjective and personal view, but I love this deep cobalt blue color so much! This picture was taken just after taking the new watch from its box, so the transpare

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Bill
Feb 9, 2014

Why do you make these temptations. So much to love about this one and all the modern conveniences and a very nice dive companion. I just had my Omega 600 Ploprof certified for 200 meters which is good for a vintage but you always run risks. I am jealous. best Bill

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Edz
Feb 9, 2014

All your Subs are beautiful but the Red 1680 is something else.

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amanico
Feb 9, 2014

With the Vintage Submariner, in terms of feelings, at least. This green version is quite cool, though. But you need to get some tan before wearing it nicely. I never had the possibility to touch one... I will. Thanks for the article, my friend. Very interesting to read. Best, Nicolas

SU
Subexplorer
Feb 10, 2014

... and yes, I´ve been using my old 1977 1680 Sub for scuba diving till a few years ago, but I decided it is not necessary to risk it anymore. Glad to know about your Omega being certified, but I personally wouldn´t risk it if it were mine, though I understand that retiring them from these activities means less enjoyment of these beautiful instruments. Thank you for your kind comments! Very cordially, Abel.

SU
Subexplorer
Feb 10, 2014

... the green dial and bezel looks much better with a tanned skin. Regretably I can´t scape from office for some needed vacations near the sea during this hot summer down here. I also agree that it is unfair to compare the new model with its vintage cousins in their feeling and charm. Sometimes I feel it is the same than comparing a present made Ford Mustang with the 1966 predecesor or the new Jaguar Type F with a 1960´s Type E. The old cars have the charm, the romance, the classic lines, the no

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