Rolex Daytona 6239 'Solo' Dial Authenticity Debate
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Rolex Daytona 6239 'Solo' Dial Authenticity Debate

By Joepny · Jan 8, 2018 · 45 replies
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Joepny brings to light a critical discussion surrounding the authenticity of a vintage Rolex Daytona ref. 6239, previously sold by prominent auction houses. His post meticulously details how a "Solo" dial variant of the 6239, initially sold for a modest sum, reappeared years later with a significantly altered dial and a much higher valuation. This case study serves as a stark reminder for collectors about due diligence in the vintage watch market.

Moderator, please let me know if anything is out of bounds and I will fix it.  I think this is important news to share on PPro.

Catching up on the weekend news (freezing temperatures has a way of ensuring you stay in bed all weekend long and ignore almost everything) and thanks to former PuristS SJX's IG feed, a tantalizing vintage Rolex story developed over the weekend that I think all of us can learn from.  SJX writes an article taken from the IG feed of Perezcope.

Here are the findings:
(1) Perezcope looked at the picture of a Rolex Daytona ref 6239 sold by Phillips auction with Bacs & Russo in Dec 2015 in Hong Kong.  Lot # 226.  Case number 1079777.  Result $750,000 HKD (You can go to the Phillips website and see it for yourself.  Here is the accompanying text from Phillips with Bacs & Russo:

"The present watch is better known as the "definitive" version of the reference 6239. It has an extraordinary dial that embodies its distinctive mark of originality. Its most important and eye catching feature is the absence of the Cosmograph writing under the Rolex signature. This dial is the rarest variant of this reference 6239 and is called "Solo"."


(2) Then Perezcope searches for the same case number 1079777 and finds that it was previously sold by Antiquorum in Dec 2011 in New York.  Lot #225.  Result $27,500 USD (estimated $213,606 HKD at the time).  The picture provided by Antiquorum shows the Daytona with the word "Cosmograph" on it.  Perezscope matches spots on the 3 registers that are exactly in the same place between the photos provided by Antiqourum and Phillips.  So it's very likely the same watch since the case number has not changed and we have the curious case that between Dec 2011 and Dec 2015, the word "Cosmograph" was erased from the dial.

So by removing a word and waiting for the red hot vintage Rolex market, this watch traded hands again for an additional $536,400 HKD in 4 years!!!








(3) The unsurprising punch to the gut:  Perezcope shows an article written on Hodinkee by Ben Clymer in June 2016 where he uses the same picture from Phillips auction house and Clymer writes in the article that he believes the "Solo" dials are original to ref 6239 and he uses a doctored watch picture to prove his point.  How ironic. 

So now thanks to Perezcope, what has happened:

(1) Phillips auction house with Bacs & Russo has written on IG that they think the authenticity of the watch they sold is wrong and they will offer a refund to the Dec 2015 buyer.  They write that they sold the watch in good faith.  But no mention is made why they did not have someone do a simple check on the case number back in 2015 when the watch was consigned and before it was sold.  It would have uncovered the Antiquorum 2011 listing.  Some people on IG are giving Phillips kudos for offering the refund and admitting a mistake.  Pfft, that's the least they can do to contain the damage to their reputation. 

If you look at the Phillips website, their watch department has about 17 people include Aurel Bacs and I am going to take a wild guess that there are a few lowly paid interns in that department who are not named.  (Or available from the pool of interns at Phillips corporate.)  Their auctions have somewhere around 200 lots.  Doing a Google search on 200-300 lots can be easily accomplished in under 1 day.  They should unequivocally have someone on the payroll whose primary responsibility is to check on the internet/public history of watches consigned to them as a simple first step.  I would do internet searches for them if they would waive the 25% fee on a winning lot...wink wink.

(2) Ben Clymer has stated that he had no idea the watch was doctored when he wrote the article in June 2016 and was simply using a picture available to him.  He will make an update to his article.  I take the issue with Clymer/Hodinkee as with Phillips -- Hodinkee most likely have well over a dozen people there and they're growing.  They need to establish a internal audit role to vet their articles when they use content from their silent partners like Phillips and the other auction houses.  It's just a laughable case of willingly letting themselves be led by an auction house whose interest is to sell and not be 100% correct.  They want to be regarded as "the preeminent resource" for watch lovers/collectors and yet they make very little effort to vet themselves.  Garbage in, garbage out.

Your thoughts?

(Edit:  misspelled Perezcope.  Corrected.)       

About the Rolex 6239 Ref. 6239

The Rolex 6239 represents a black dial variant within this reference, produced from 1963 to 1969. This reference occupies a specific position in Rolex's chronograph offerings of the period, distinguished by its black dial configuration and manual winding operation.

The watch features a 37mm stainless steel case fitted with a fixed tachymeter bezel and acrylic crystal. Water resistance is rated to 50 meters. The manual winding movement utilizes the Valjoux 72 caliber, providing a 45-hour power reserve. The timepiece is completed with a leather strap.

This reference appeals to collectors focused on vintage Rolex chronographs from the 1960s production era. The black dial variant offers an alternative to other dial configurations within the 6239 reference range. The manual winding Valjoux 72 movement and 37mm case size reflect the technical specifications typical of this production period.

Specifications

Caliber
Valjoux 72
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
37 mm
Dial
Black
Water Resist.
50m
Crystal
Acrylic

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Baron - Mr Red
Jan 8, 2018

No. Not all. In fact, I think I may not be so far from the mark if i said that I think the number that have had "something" done to them was as high as the number that have not. So, for me, no real surprise that a watch surfaces that has been heavily faked. From the pouint of view of the auctioneer, then yes, their reputation does depend a lot on being able to authenticate watches that they sell. And yes, they should go to extreme lengths on watches for such verification of authenticity. They di

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Miranda
Jan 8, 2018

Thats why I stick to stuff that matches date with serial number and is not exotic Best Imran

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Joepny
Jan 8, 2018

I buy primarily used watches and I always do the simple case number & movement number searches. But I think the firm that brings the watch to market and earns income from selling it, bears the primary responsibility to ensure that they are selling the genuine thing and their good faith is backed by real due diligence. In this case, it is clear that Phillips missed a step in their due diligence.

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Alkiro1
Jan 8, 2018

At least, I hope the Paul Newman’s Paul Newman sold recently is not a fake too πŸ˜‰ Best wishes Alkiro

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Baron - Mr Red
Jan 8, 2018

.....i was once told by a very experienced vintage dealer that over 70% of PNs had been doctored to varying degrees.

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Chrisparet
Jan 8, 2018

So we cannot trust the best auction houses and I have read on internet horror stories on second hand dealers. So what to do if the adage Β« buy the seller first Β« is no more true ? Only way : buy directly from a collector but you have to be introduced

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