Rolex and COMEX: Deep Sea Diving Partnership
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Rolex and COMEX: Deep Sea Diving Partnership

By DrStrong · Jul 1, 2009 · 31 replies
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DrStrong's comprehensive post illuminates the historic partnership between Rolex and COMEX, a French deep-sea diving company that pushed the boundaries of ocean exploration. He details COMEX's incredible achievements in hyperbaric research and deep diving, and how this collaboration was instrumental in testing and developing Rolex's iconic dive watches, including the crucial Helium Escape Valve. This article offers a fascinating look into the real-world application and evolution of Rolex's professional tool watches.

COMEX is a French diving company founded in 1961 by H.G. Delauze to explore the depths of the oceans: it is the NASA of the deep sea…. At that time, Yuri Gagarine was travelling around the earth at 300 km of altitude, but none dared to travel over 70 m under the sea.

 

H.G. Delauze in 1963

 

Delauze and COMEX ran an incredible industrial and human challenge: the conquest of the depths. Their hyperbaric boxes simulated the condition of life under sea and COMEX improved them, as well as the gas mixtures and diving equipments.

 

As they got more and more experience and technologies, the records were all broken:

 

Ludion 1966-68 : 120 m in hyperbaric box

Physalie 1968-72 : 610 m in box (doesn’t that remind you something ?)

Janus I in 1968 : 4 divers at 150m for 14 hours of work.

Janus II en 1970 : 3 divers  at  250m for 34 h of work

Janus IV in 1977 : 6 divers for a simulation of work at 460 m . Two of them will go to 501 m… world record !!!!

 

From 1967 to 1997, COMEX worked closely with Rolex and many of their deep sea divers were issued Rolex watches as a tool to do their work. Rolex used this as a way to test some of their new watches and to resolve some with issues from COMEX, such as decompression divers and their watches not being able to withstand depths. The Helium Escape Valve (HEV) was developed and tested on 1665, 5513 and 5514 (reference for COMEX only) for COMEX before being commercially available in the original Sea Dweller in 1971.

 

The COMEX issued watches have also been associated with records and experiments such as the max depth of 701 meters or the Hydra experiments and it is common to see those watches with specifics engravings.

 

 

What makes them very collectible is that they were never sold by stores (Authorized Dealers) and only issued to divers or officials and that they were made in extremely small quantities even after all those years with COMEX. They also have special characteristics and unique COMEX serial numbers and engravings on the casebacks, which make them very interesting for collectors. They played a big part of the development of the watches that we wear today.

 

Here are the references, production and date ranges of the watches delivered to Comex:

 

1970-1973 Early Submariners Ref. 5513 and Sea Dwellers Ref. 1665

 

The Rolex Comex Submainer ref 5513 were the first prototypes to be tested by Comex, together with a handful of thin case DRSD's. They were specially assembled with a Helium Escape Valve (HEV) at the side of the case in order to solve the problem during decompression, where often the crystal and winding crowns would literally explode from the watches: Rolex and Comex developed the HEV and at first fitted it to a small batch of thin case Sea Dweller ref. 1665 and  ref 5513 Submariners

 

5513 Comex (Photo: BJSonline)

 

 

1972-1978 Submariners Ref. 5514 (made for Comex only) 

 

The 5514 models was a batch of watches with a reference that was specially made for COMEX and its divers and never sold by retailers.  It was delivered after the successful testing of the 5513 with HEV and COMEX made a special order of these watches.

 

5514 Comex (Photo: Antiquorum)

 

The early watches had "Rolex COMEX" across the caseback, the later watches around the caseback. The COMEX numbers came in about three sizes: small, medium and large.

 

 

1977-1980 Sea dweller Ref. 1665

 

The 1665 was delivered to COMEX from 1977-1981.  These watches can be found with the original dial with 600m ratings or the replacement dials with 610m ratings. The COMEX numbers were in the range of 2000-2300 with only 300 watches delivered.

 

1665 Comex (Photo: Antiquorum)

 

 

1978-1979 Submariner Ref. 1680 

 

Some of these non-HEV watches were given to divers for non saturation dive and most of them were given to employees, customers and suppliers. Most of 1680 COMEX were resold and redialed as normal Rolex watches, as many owners didn't really like the "advertisement" on the dial and the case back ! COMEX  received approximately 60 examples of these watches.

 

1680 Comex (Photo: Antiquorum)

 

 

1980-1984 Sea Dweller Ref. 16660

 

The 16660 was a transitional watch for Rolex: the new case, sapphire crystal, larger helium valve meant that the new watch could be taken to depths up to an incredible 4000 feet or 1220 meters. There was also a new movement inside the case: the 3035 to replace the 1575 in the previous Sea-Dweller model.

 

16660 Comex (Photo: Antiquorum)

 

Interestingly, the new watch also was designed to have a new dial, a glossy dial with metal rims around the markers. In the mean time, there was still some matt dials that needed to be used, so they first batch had a matt dial and the later models had the new shinny dials. The 16660 was delivered to COMEX in 1980-1984. The first 50 watches had the older style matt dials and two lines of writing, while the remaining 150 watches had the new glossy dials. 

 

1982-1986 Submariner Sapphire Ref. 16800

 

Approximately 100 examples without HEV have been deliverd with matt or gloss dial.

 

 

1988-1989 Submariners Ref: 168000 no valve with glossy dial

 

Approximately 100 examples without HEV have been deliverd with matt or gloss dial.

 

 

1992-1997 Seadweller Sapphire Ref. 16600  

 

These watches were delivered in two batches :

 

- 100 examples in 1992 with the straight "Rolex COMEX " writing on the case back  and COMEX number 32XX

- 100 examples in 1997 with the "rounded" writing  and COMEX number 33XX

 

An additionnal small batch of this reference was delivered in 2004.

 

 

1986-1997 Submariner Ref. 16610

 

There were approximately a couple of hundred examples delivered and many are commonly seen complete with box and papers. Many were issued by non saturation divers or as gifts.

 

The 16610 Sub is desirable watch since it is considered as a COMEX watch. But, it carries a stigma by serious collectors as being the least desirable due to being a late sapphire crystal model and a non HEV model and possibly less likely to be used for deep sea exploration and more likely to be "desk-divers "or executive gifts.

 

An additionnal small batch of this reference was delivered in 2004.

 

 

 

 

16610 Comex (Photo: Eric Ku)

 

 

Acknowledgements: Guill@ume, Ed Delgado

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About the Rolex Submariner Ref. 5513

The Rolex Submariner reference 5513 is a notable example within the Submariner line, distinguished by its two-line dial and lack of a date complication. Produced for an extended period, it represents a core offering for collectors seeking a straightforward and robust tool watch. Its design emphasizes legibility and functionality, aligning with the original purpose of the Submariner series. This reference is recognized for its consistent aesthetic throughout its production run, with subtle variations in dial text and bezel inserts.

The watch features a 40mm stainless steel Oyster case, offering durability and water resistance suitable for its intended use. Powering the reference 5513 is the automatic Caliber 1520 movement, known for its reliability. The crystal is acrylic, contributing to the vintage character of the watch. The unidirectional rotating bezel, typically with an aluminum insert, allows for elapsed time measurement.

For collectors, the reference 5513 is a significant model due to its long production history and the various dial iterations, such as gilt and matte dials, which present distinct collecting opportunities. Its appeal lies in its foundational design and its position as a non-date Submariner, making it a desirable piece for those who appreciate the model's original form. The watch is often paired with an Oyster bracelet, completing its functional aesthetic.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.1520
Case
Stainless steel
Diameter
40mm
Dial
Black gilt
Water Resist.
200m
Crystal
Acrylic

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AM
amanico
Jul 1, 2009

I love the Comex letter where it is written that the sale of this watch is strictly prohibited! When we see Rolex Comex watches for sale... Nice to see all of them in a post, and to have their story. So, what Comex do you consider as the rarest? The 1680 or the 5513? The engraving of the number on the case back is very deep; I never paid attention to that detail. Thanks for all, Jeff. Best, Nicolas

FL
flamenco
Jul 1, 2009

Thanks for the highly informative and educational post. Always wondered about Comex Rollies. Now I finally know.

DR
DrStrong
Jul 1, 2009

I prefer a 5514 or 5513 with HEV to a 1680...to me thay have more Comex DNA. And yes, the engraving is very deep: here a 1665 (photo Eric Ku)

AM
amanico
Jul 1, 2009

I, too, prefer the 5513 / 5514, because of the lack of magnyfier. But if I asled, it was because some " romantic " dealers pretended that the 5513 or 14 was the rarest of the Comex... Best, Nicolas

RY
Ryan5446
Jul 1, 2009

As a fan of the 1665, had a "trashed" Comex 1665 in my hands recently... Although the watch showed severe use, I had problems taking my eyes of it !!! Something magical / "mythical" about them. It is nice to see them all together. I also read somewhere that Comex is taking tests with the new big Sea-Dweller Deep Sea aswell ?

DD
DDW
Jul 1, 2009

Have to add small correction to the 1665 series Comex watches; the last generation of these 1665 (post 1980) were delivered orginally with the 610meter dial, not as a replacement dial as you state. So 610 meter dials are only obviously replacement when found in pre-1980 1665 Comex (both with straight Rolex across caseback "doublered style" and curved Rolex caseback). Ciao, D

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