Vintage
Bill presents a compelling argument for prioritizing "best in class" examples when collecting vintage Rolex, showcasing two pristine Rolex 5512 Submariners: a 4-line gilt PCG and a 2-line gilt PCG. His post emphasizes the importance of dial quality and case condition over documentation, offering valuable insights for both seasoned and aspiring collectors.
But if you wanted to the next best thing a minty Rolex 5512 2 line gilt PCG. With a dial like a black pool of water, or I should say with matching pools of water. The exclamation point on both is just a bonus. The 5512 easily rivals the Rolex 6538 and the big crown series from the perspective of the depth and balance they provide with the awesome chapter ring and shimmering gold inscriptions. To get prime examples of a 5512 2 or 4 line gilt PCG you are scratching the bottom ranks of the famous Big crowns and with a similar scarcity. I think this is an option to have while the hunt continues for the elusive Big Crowns. The sad reality is that to find comparable dials as the ones on these two 5512's will be very hard to match with an original 2 or 4 line big crown. Therein lies the rub and something that has both haunted and driven me. I have come to the realization that it is better to wait and to spend the premium demanded to find the finest example in any category your are perusing. It is best that you search for the "best in class" at every stage whether it is a matt meters first 5513 or a GMT 1675 or a gilt 5513 or 1601, 16660 or whatever model you are hunting for than rather than settle on an average example. Now this is where things get a little blurry. The term investment grade creeps in which can sometimes mean both documentation and provenance. For me docs are desirable but not essential. It boils down to the quality of the dial as it is unlikely that you will find a pristine dial in a mediocre case but a fat case will always command a better price. Finally the real issue is that a lot of transactions happen via photos and no matter how honest or good the intentions or the quality of the pictures a in person viewing is the only way to really judge the piece in question. So this is again for those of you that have the chance to have friends around the world that can be your eyes and ears it is rough game to play with many more negative surprises than positive ones.
No real words of wisdom other that shoot for the best in class in any category and those pieces will ultimately give the most joy.
Bill
PS the dust speckles are on the plexi.
The Rolex Submariner reference 5513 is a notable example within the Submariner line, distinguished by its two-line dial and lack of a date complication. Produced for an extended period, it represents a core offering for collectors seeking a straightforward and robust tool watch. Its design emphasizes legibility and functionality, aligning with the original purpose of the Submariner series. This reference is recognized for its consistent aesthetic throughout its production run, with subtle variations in dial text and bezel inserts.
The watch features a 40mm stainless steel Oyster case, offering durability and water resistance suitable for its intended use. Powering the reference 5513 is the automatic Caliber 1520 movement, known for its reliability. The crystal is acrylic, contributing to the vintage character of the watch. The unidirectional rotating bezel, typically with an aluminum insert, allows for elapsed time measurement.
For collectors, the reference 5513 is a significant model due to its long production history and the various dial iterations, such as gilt and matte dials, which present distinct collecting opportunities. Its appeal lies in its foundational design and its position as a non-date Submariner, making it a desirable piece for those who appreciate the model's original form. The watch is often paired with an Oyster bracelet, completing its functional aesthetic.
Wow, you did it! 2 5512 CR PCG, one 4 ines, the other 2 lines, but both highly desirable. I am impaled. I love the way you're taking, my friend, and your impeccable selection of pieces. From the dial to the case, there is no reserve in the appreciation of these 2 marvels, Bill. But, through your words, I am feeling you are also turning around the elusive Big Crown, the one which will warm your heart for Eternity. What a collection of Subs you have, Bill... Bravo. From the bottom of my heart. Bes
But I am still your student. The waters are still rough and navigating the world of Rolex is not without its perils. A+ mon ami Bill
Which step will be your next one? You have an awesome 6536, then a 5510, then these 2 5512... 5513? Which one? Military? GB or French? Gilt or not gilt? 6538? Military Tudor? Yoiu set the bar so high that a new summit will be hard to reach... But that is the fun of this game. Best, my friend. Nicolas
I have found that they is all in the dial. Pure silky black oil. I am growing partial to this style of black / gilt combination. I save the matt dial for the everyday tool watch as they are still my first love. But as I mature the gilt gloss is getting very hard to resist. The dial the dial the dial... Look at the Tudor MC what a nice dial. Yes it is not a Paul Newman but it is the best in class for that style. Homeplate notwithstanding. Story to be continued...... A+ Bill
Great photographs, of a lovely watch!! Superb post of a truly classic piece. Thanks for sharing! Cheers Tony
Agree with you that the dial is important... It is the soul of a watch. Your example, the Tudor MC, is specially good. What a character, a presence! The mot elegant? Certainly not. But how appealing! Endless story, my friend. Best, Nicolas
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